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Scary Test Result: Low Ammonia. Possible HE (hepatic encel...)

Discussion in 'Gastrointestinal and Urinary' started by calexis6666, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. calexis6666

    calexis6666

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    So, I got a test result of low Ammonia. Apparantly my liver isn't detoxing Ammonia. My doctor thinks I may have HE and maybe even cirrohis. I am going to a specialist on Monday.

    Anyone have this and if so what were your treatments that worked?
     
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    Surely, if your liver is not detoxing ammonia then your blood ammonia would be high and not low like you say.

    With CFS, the liver burden is very high from waste products entering the bloodstream from the digestive system. Doing as much as possible to optimize liver detox, supplying all necessary nutrients to support your liver function would be helpful. Milk thistle extract might also help and so would Fibre.

    Ultimately, destroying the infection which is causing your CFS which would thereby eliminate your Increased Digestive Permeability would eliminate the burden on your liver which should help your liver to heal. There are bacteria which promote ammonia production by using an enzyme called Urease. Urease can help protect them. I myself have an infection by such a bacteria which I am attempting to destroy as soon as I get everything that I require.
     
  3. calexis6666

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    Thanks! yes I believe getting rid of the hydrogen sulfide bacteria first is key. I am going to a doctor and hoping he will prescribe Rifamaximin and Lactulose together. That is standard treatment. The problem is I can't use herbs or lemons to detoxify liver due to Salycilate intolerance. Until I reduce my load no herbs. I have been using a-l-carnitine and ornithine which is helping a little.I just started coffee enemas. I want to eat leaky gut diet but the only foods that are low sulfur and low salycilate, that I can eat without symptoms are : Barley grass, celery, lettuce , white rice, potatoes and a little ghee. I know the rice and potatoes are affecting my gut but I cannot subsist on those three vegetables. What would you do in my situation? Should I just suck it up and juice cleanse on barley grass, celery and lettuce? Bad for my adrenals and no cooked foods to strengthen my spleen. I'm not in a good place and most of the doctors I've been to are not helping much. Seeing a functional medicine doctor in Feb. though.
     
  4. calexis6666

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    No if you look up HE. Your ammonia is low due to it not detoxifying in the liver. It doesn't show up in the blood because it's all in the liver. It's a serious diagnosis.
     
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    This Wikipedia article says that HE is, "believed to involve the buildup of ammonia in the blood, a substance that is normally removed by the liver" and that "Lactulose is frequently used to decrease ammonia levels."

    Sounds to me like ammonia levels would be too high then rather than too low. ???

    It does sound pretty serious though. Hope you get some sound advice from your doctor.
     
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    HE is caused by an elevation of ammonia in the blood which passes the BBB. It's when the liver can't degrade ammonia into urea (and glutamine?) that it will cause HE.

    Maybe you misunderstood your doctor? If not then your doctor is seriously incompetent.
     
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    No HE is marked by low ammonia. It's because the ammonia is trapped in the liver thus it won't show via bloodtest. It's not circulating in the blood.
     
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    No, it doesn't work like that. Can you please give me a source to backup your claim?

     
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    The article does not support your claim that ammonia gets "stuck" in the liver and that HE is marked by low ammonia.
     
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  11. calexis6666

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    I apologize. The doctor who gave me the test thinks I'm ok. It' s a chiropractor who I saw that gave me the scare. I think I will be alright. Thanks for your help and I apologize. I also read some information incorrectly.
     
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