Result of heavy analysis

[Wishful]

It's different in Canada and other 'free health care' countries. At least I don't think that doctors here make much or their income from prescriptions. Not enough income to gamble legal problems from overprescribing. The toxicologist I went to certainly didn't offer any treatments. I asked for the test just to rule out deficiencies or excesses, and my GP was okay with that.

Alternative medicine isn't covered by the government here, so I expect that those practitioners can make significant portions of their income by prescribing treatments that aren't actually beneficial for the patient.

 

[pamojja]

Alternative medicine isn't covered by the government here, so I expect that those practitioners can make significant portions of their income by prescribing treatments that aren't actually beneficial for the patient.

Actually consulted an alternative practitioner at the beginning. Was even a specialist in internal medicine too, and made sure on the phone making the appointment he had some experience in orthomolecular medicine too. Was actually the first practitioner interested in my medical history. But after a 1 hour of probably the most thorough consultation he ended with the words, that if he would be me, he would actually do the same. And since he allegedly had learned much himself from our consultation he didn't offered or charged anything.

Was glad there are still practitioners with such high ethical standards. On the other hand, any other practitioner could have me fully charged for that hour without any advise. Therefore I never tried any other again.

 

[iwillwin1day]

I am currently following orthomolecular therapy to chelate toxic metals from my system. If anyone know how to chelate excess toxic manganese from the body please share. Thanks.

 

[men100]

But do you consider it dangerous to remove metals with the supplements that I put before?
I am referring to the CN Base and the CN-3 together with the fungus Mico-Polypor? I do not really see an aggressive therapy in chemical plan, it seems rather "natural". What scares me is getting worse by taking those suplmenetos and fungus.

Thank you all.

 

[pamojja]

But do you consider it dangerous to remove metals with the supplements that I put before?
I am referring to the CN Base and the CN-3 together with the fungus Mico-Polypor?

The only way how do avoid adverse reaction I already outlined in a former post (start at a fraction of dose..), there is no other way to know. Since every one has different responses, which only can be found out by experimenting. However, those low-doses of a multi and b-complex will never remove metals stored, it however might alleviate ongoing exposures.

 

[men100]

Yes, I have recommended 3 doses a day (breakfast, lunch and dinner). Just as it is 3 shots, increase the dose so that they eliminate some accumulated metal, right? It is supposed that the medication has prescribed it for that precisely. I'll start with one in the morning and see how, I hope I do not feel very bad (what worries me most are the extrasystoles, as I said they are very scary).

 

[perrier]

All practitioners who have any expertise in heavy metals make money by treating patients.

And there are a lot of practitioners who know next to nothing about heavy metal toxicity that still make money by doing nothing.

Given the choice, it seems prudent to go where the expertise is, especially if you're a patient like me, with a high level of toxicity who detoxes poorly and who has a family full of people with toxin-related diseases.

If one is not careful, detoxing can move toxins into your brain or stress your liver or kidneys. I worked with 2 experts and have at times experienced unpleasant symptoms, raised ALT and AST and lowered GFR, generally because my body is good at Phase I detoxing, but lousy at Phase II, and my doctors have had to adjust their strategies depending on what was being excreted. My numbers have bounced back and a CT scan of my liver looked good.





Some people embark on do-it-yourself programs and do ok, but it can get you into trouble, too, so some expertise and caution is prudent. And, if you enlist a doctors help, asking questions to plumb the depths of their knowledge would be wise.

What you point out is very important indeed. Who would you say are the best doctors that deal with metal detox?

 

[Learner1]

My experience has been with Bastyr-trained naturopathic doctors, who look at the patient as an individual, doing lab tests to learn the status of detox nutrients and toxins, then use a phased approach, with appropriate chelators to remove metals one by one, while ensuring detox nutrients and trace minerals (the ones we need) are kept replenished, using oral and/or IV methods. They repeat testing at points along the way to assess status and monitor liver and kidney function as well.

 

[Wishful]

Has anyone cured their ME by metal detoxing? Does anyone have clinical evidence correlating one or more of their ME symptoms with metal levels? Not just one anecdotal 'I went through detox and felt better', but multiple testings of metal levels and physical endurance or whatever. I note that Learner1's reply mentions improved numbers and scans 'looking good', but I assume those numbers and scan interpretations are from the doctors profiting from the tests and treatments, which is a conflict of interest. Test numbers and scan interpretations do not necessarily correspond with actual improved health. I'm not accusing them of intentionally misleading Learner1; just pointing out that there are doctors who show some numbers to show an 'improvement' after a treatment--and patients who claim to feel better thereby--without there actually being an improvement in physical health.

Do I sound like I might be a bit skeptical about metal detoxing (for most people, not the few with genuine disorders involving toxic metals)?