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Recovery of upper limb muscle function in cfs with and without fibro.

Discussion in 'Latest ME/CFS Research' started by Firestormm, Dec 11, 2013.

  1. Firestormm


    Cornwall England
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  2. Dufresne

    Dufresne almost there...

    I used to work as a personal trainer before PEM made this impossible. The onset of this symptom was slow to develop and up until last year I was still able to do light exercises on my muscles if I kept it under a certain threshold of exertion. One thing I discovered was that I was able to do more if I exercised one side at a time. For instance, push ups against the wall using one hand at a time. This is too strenuous for me now but I guess I could still figure a way of exercising somewhat if I can further lighten the exertion. I've just been too discouraged after PEM's when I've even tried to do the pitiful exercises I was doing up until a year ago.
  3. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

    Cornwall, UK
    Inability to hold my arms up for long was one the first things that made me realise something was wrong. I had difficulty hanging out the washing and wondered what the £"*& was the matter. I still have this difficulty, like today when I was browsing clothes on a high rail in a charity shop. I have to keep putting my arms down again for a few seconds to rest them. they found that only the ones with FM as well had the problem they tested for. I don't think I have FM.
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  4. Marco

    Marco Grrrrrrr!

    Near Cognac, France
    That's interesting.

    I hadn't connected with these findings at all until I read the comments.

    The first inkling (sic) I had of having any problems with exercise was during warm up exercises in Ju Jitsu training that were with arms at or above shoulder height. I fainted and went down like a sack of spuds.

    Since then I can't tolerate anything requiring repeated use of my arms at or above shoulder height. Very rapidly the arm muscles begin to ache and feel like lead and I have to drop them for a while to recover strength. Fitting a new lightbulb can be murder for me.

    Strange thing is I've just bought a set of weights and can do several reps with the bar from shoulder height to arms straight and back again with none of the same problems. The problem seems to be holding the arms in the same place while raised.

    Don't know what that means.

    PS - I don't have fibro and any pains I have tend to be in the legs.
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  5. minkeygirl

    minkeygirl But I Look So Good.

    Left Coast
    I don't have FM and my arms are really weak, especially from the elbows up. Using my arms in general is exhausting.

    I was just looking into a new microwave and there is no way I could get one for over the stove. I'd be constantly worried that I would drop something.
  6. SOC

    SOC Senior Member

    I suspect that the CFS-only subset was too small relative to the size of the other sample sets to safely draw the conclusion that CFS-only patients don't have recovery problems while CFS+FM patients do. I'd want to see some statistics... maybe some calculations of error...?

    And, as always, the fuzziness of diagnosis raises questions about the accuracy of subset-specific conclusions. For example, how did they decide whether patients have comorbid FM? There's no objective measure for FM or CFS. If they included all "CFS" patients who had muscle pain in the CFS+FM group and only non-pain "CFS" patients in the CFS-only group, then it's possible the 18 CFS-only patients don't even have ME/CFS as we know it. Maybe they are depression or hypothyroid or goodness-knows-what-fatiguing-illness patients.

    I've had some ME/CFS specialists say I have comorbid FM, and others say I don't. My GP diagnosed me with FM, but I honestly don't think he knew that there's a difference between FM and ME/CFS. :rolleyes: Frankly, I don't believe I have comorbid FM at least in part because my pain appears to be of an entirely different nature than that described by FM patients, but who knows for sure?

    IMO, the diagnoses are far, far too unclear to be drawing any conclusions about CFS-only vs CFS+FM.
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