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Placebo Affects Spine as Well as Mind

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by Cort, Oct 17, 2009.

  1. Cort

    Cort Phoenix Rising Founder

    I think we're going to see more and more just how powerfully the mind effects our biology. This makes me think of opening up chakras (not that I know anything about chakras)

  2. Lisa

    Lisa Senior Member

    Western Washington
    Interesting! As many of us here have said, if a placebo can achieve results who cares that it is just a sugar pill. :)

    I have been finding it fascinating that so many things like this, where science has a hard time explaining an effect such as this, it often comes back to the early part of human brain development.

    by the way... never accept meds from a guy wearing a glove that dirty! :eek:

    Lisa :)
  3. MEKoan

    MEKoan Senior Member

    This is so interesting! I love this stuff!


  4. dannybex

    dannybex Senior Member


    Very cool. Most of the folks I know who have recovered (or are nearly there) used some sort of belief system or a variety of mind-body techniques as a key part of restoring their wellness. Not all, but most.

    We're so conditioned in today's society to believe the only way we'll get well from any illness is by taking a pill or drug (especially with all the ads on television) that we forget how potentially powerful our body's ability to heal can be.

    Even when it comes to naturopathic medicine, where EFA's are proclaimed to be universally 'essential'.

    A couple of weeks back I asked my acupuncturist if TCM uses any oils in therapy. He looked at me with a puzzled expression.

    I said, "You know, essential fatty acids, like fish, flax, borage or evening primrose oils."

    He paused, then said no. They just use herbs...and food. Now maybe the oils come from foods or herbs, but they look at so many things from a completely different perspective than we do. For example, the treatment for beri-beri in Western culture is thiamine (vitamin b-1). In TCM, it's two different herbs (don't have the book in front of me) neither of which contain any thiamine.
  5. Victoria

    Victoria Senior Member

    Melbourne, Australia
    I'm with you Lisa, I don't care whether it's a placebo or not, if it works, then it fulfills the patient's desire for positive improvement.

    (as long as it doesn't cost a fortune, of course).


    PS my internet wireless connection has been down all day yesterday & this morning at home, & I have had withdrawal symptoms from loss of contact with the Phoenix forum. Just goes to show that contact with like minded people who you can relate to during your day, makes a big difference in your life. And this is only the second weekend I've had the internet at home!!!!
  6. leelaplay

    leelaplay member

    I agree - if a placebo works, I'm for it. Find it interesting though, that for many of us, the easiest belief "cure" is from the placebo effect - usually from a pill from a doctor. Guess it's growing up western in the middle/end of the "science is God" era - know I still have to remind myself that whatever dr, specialist I'm seeing is not "god", just an expert, hopefully, in their field. They may not know about other fields + I may even know more about a specific area of their field - that I am ultimately responsible for my own health. I still want to believe in that magic pill that a dr is going to give me.

    Science is now starting to support "old wives tales", other systems of health, and religion - showing for eg that meditation has benefits that science can analyze; that belief can influence outcomes. Other forms of belief systems, mind-body techniques are slowly becoming part of our accepted reality. When I started yoga and tai chi it definitely made me non-mainstream to some. Now yoga is everywhere. And Wayne Dyer speaks of the power of intention...... Found it interesting that Cort was reminded of chakras - I've done some chakra work, and tai chi, chi gong and TCM all use chi pathways & I feel them all. My north american academic training had not prepared me for this. But I just decided to respect my experience and try to learn about it on the way. And even if I didn't learn, to continue to deepen the experience. Nice that this study superimposes the 2 worlds a bit!
    Agree Victoria too re the slightly addictive nature of this site. Hope you didn't get the shakes or see pink elephants. I just started using it when cort emailed re the xmrv news (think i'd joined before that but wasn't up to reading then). Now am busy exploring the site and on a few times a day. So many great people & attitudes, and so much good info and/or speculation. What a find. Glad you've got net access at home now!

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