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People's experiences of Bartonella

Discussion in 'Lyme Disease and Co-Infections' started by sianrecovery, May 24, 2016.

  1. aquariusgirl

    aquariusgirl Senior Member

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    @acer2000 what did yr doc make of yr experience? Who was yr doc? Tnx
     
  2. Erica.N

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    @xrunner
    Hello How is your treatment for bartonella with dr kaufman? I have consultation with him in April 2017, I have many neurological symptoms, many body aches, burns etc. I wonder if you're enjoying treating Dr. Kaufmam? I'm traveling from another country to see it and I'm going to do several tests to investigate what I have. My question is... should I look for an LLMD or if Dr Kaufmam can help. what do you think?
     
  3. xrunner

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    I pm'd you.
     
  4. Michael_venice

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    May I ask you the same question as Erica did? I can't figure out how to PM you. Thanks.
     
  5. xrunner

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    @Michael_venice
    I have never been a patient of Dr K. I was diagnosed in the UK by a rheumatologist as explained in posts n.27 and 36.
    As for the other questions, any LLMD who treats according to the ILADS guidelines, and doesn't mess up with alternative treatments!, should be fine.
    Have a look at Dr Burrascano's guidelines which are quite detailed.
    http://www.ilads.org/lyme/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf
     
  6. ChrisD

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    Hi @xrunner , I started feeling ill after a trip in North Spain - had lots of psychological issues like Insomnia/depression/anxiety in 2014 before noticing a striation/stretch mark rash in late summer 2015 but ignoring it as I thought it could genuinely be stretch marks around my hips. In December 2015 I was stressed annd my immunity was low and I contracted what I thought was a common cold (but it could have been anything), suddenly I had reactive arthritis which evolved into Fibro, I have had Costochondritis, Plantar fascilitis, TMJ, Trigeminal neuralgia, hair loss.

    My doctor diagnosed me with ME/CFS, but I have recently had a Lyme test (results not back yet annd only ELISA), but I have a strong suspicion now that I have a BArtonella co-infection due to the way my symptoms present compared to the people in my CFS group. I do have quite debilitating fatigue now but also a lot more pain and bbizarre muscle issues like cracking and popping etc. and the above symptoms.

    Anyway, I don't have the first clue about how to get a Bart test so any info would be much appreciated...
     
  7. xrunner

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    Hi @ChrisD,
    For testing I'd go to a specialist with cinical experience in treating Lyme. There's a huge difference between a doctor who treats say two cases a year vs. two per week. If you live in the UK that means going private.
    However, at present, I don't know of any UK Lyme specialist I could recommend, also the past few years I've been well enough not to bother keeping up to date with Lyme-related information, doctors, forums etc.
    From memory may be you could ask @Valentijn or @justy or @Sushi they should be much more up to date with info regarding Lyme testing etc
    The only thing I'd say is that I'd not restrict testing to Bartonella but to all possible bacteria connected to Lyme disease.
    Sorry if this is not very helpful.
     
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  8. justy

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    @ChrisD you can get Bart testing through Arminlabs in Germany from the UK. I agree with x runner tht a general Lyme and co infections panel might be a good idea. Bart is notoriously hard to test for, you may need to repeat the test a number of times. There is a great video on bart by a top Vet who talks about Bart in humans - its posted in the lyme and co infections forum somewhere and he discusses testing issues- its well worth a look
     
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  9. Hutan

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    There's a link to the video in my post earlier in this thread - post 26.
     
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  11. Valentijn

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    No idea. Ask them for the references?
     
  12. CedarHome

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    Don't know but I just got 2 positive results back from them (after prior negatives other places).
     
  13. Jesse2233

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    Same here Cedar

    Tested positive for Bartonella henselae and quintana via Galaxy IFA

    Don't have any rashes, stretch marks, or pain. Main symptoms are low physical stamina, POTS, and constant lightheadedness
     
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  14. CedarHome

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    I have the same symptoms, but can't tell which are Bartonella, which are Borrelia, which are chlamydia pneumonia and which are EBV or maybe HHV-6
    ;):confused:
    But the burning soles of feet in the morning when I was acutely ill let me to suspect Bartonella. Nice to have confirmation, I guess.
     
  15. duncan

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    I am in most respects a treatment failure. But one of my symptoms that I attributed to Bartonella (I have tested positive to Bartonella antibodies a few times) was bad feet pain. This pain was worst in the morning, but it was problematic throughout the day. I had a podiatrist who said it was plantar faciitis; he was not familiar with Bartonella. I knew the sole pain could be characteristic of Bart, but I did not know who was right.

    I went on a treatment protocol for Bartonella, and after a few months I got rid of the foot pain. I had other symptoms that persist, but my feet improved. My sister, who has a history of tick bites yet refuses to be tested, also has bad sole pain, and also has been diagnosed with plantar faciiitis. She never went on a Bartonella protocol, and she still struggles with her foot pain; she has had that pain for years.

    So, eh, correlation does not equal causation, but I never let her forget that I am the one that right now can stand in the morning without crying out.
     
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  16. TrialAndError

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    In the latest news or science in lymedisease.org (an org that censors comments and posts that are apprently not pro-pharma, imo) Bartonella is said to be more prevalent than any of the Lyme and its co-infections.
     
  17. TrialAndError

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    A year of Doxy? Wow, there's lots of bad side effects with Doxy.

    Also, look up the correct dosing, per Will Wiegmann PhD and the Johns Hopkins Lyme site -- it differs vastly from the standard 200 mg /daily.
     
  18. TrialAndError

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    I did the googling, too, and concluded that Doxy doesn't work. Look up the in vitro work, the latest. Doxy by itself won't even kill Lyme.

    Bart hides inside the blood cells and is 1/300 the size iirc of the Lyme pathogen.

    Let's all try to search for The Cure for Bart. Here's a typical search term:

    https://ca.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sea...ca.search&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001&csel=1
     
  19. TrialAndError

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    Have you read that most cats have Bart? Read somewhere to NEVER have a cat on your head.

    Fleas and other anthropods, even insects, can transfer Lyme and co-infections to humans.

    Cat saliva has Bart. Transferable, apparently.
     
  20. TrialAndError

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    Imo IDSA isn't science-based. Lookup Wormser, he was "run out of town" .. latest news, LymeDisease.org
     

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