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"Once again, the PACE authors respond to concerns with empty answers" - JHP by David Tuller

Discussion in 'Latest ME/CFS Research' started by Yogi, Apr 27, 2017.

  1. Yogi

    Yogi Senior Member

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    Please RT to thank Editor of JHP



    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1359105317703788?journalCode=hpqa#.WQHuZsKSA7Y.twitter
     
  2. AndyPR

    AndyPR Senior Member

    Paywalled at the moment sadly.
     
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  3. Yogi

    Yogi Senior Member

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    @Kina could you please edit title to

    "Once again, the PACE authors respond to concerns with empty answers"
     
  4. MEMum

    MEMum Senior Member

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    :woot::woot::woot:
    Quite relieved, don't think I can read any more of this non-science at the moment.
    Just come back from seeing friends, 2 of whom have known our daughter since birth and the other for prob over 15 years,
    One of them says "Oh I hope this cloud will be lifted soon". You wouldn't say this about MS/RA/cancer.....
    Then when I said I was really excited to be going to the International Biomedical Research into ME conference in June' the response was " Oh I didn't think they called it that any more!
    :bang-head::bang-head::bang-head::bang-head::bang-head::bang-head::bang-head::bang-head:
    So, much screaming and head banging later -after I get home, and virtual.; I rant on here as you will understand.
    Thank you for being there.:hug:
    Where's the emoji for gritted teeth when you need it.:zippit:?:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:!!!!!
     
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  5. Dr Speedy

    Dr Speedy

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    Just in case you don't know this is a response by David Tuller to the PACEtrial nonsense
     
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    Oberon Senior Member

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  7. Alvin2

    Alvin2 If humans were rational...

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    A certain politician uses this type of strategy and it works, lie and deflect over and over again and people will start believing it.
     
  8. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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    I've never seen so much swagger in a published commentary before.
     
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  9. BruceInOz

    BruceInOz Senior Member

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    The concluding paragraph:
    Brilliant!
     
  10. BruceInOz

    BruceInOz Senior Member

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    And:
     
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  11. trishrhymes

    trishrhymes Senior Member

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    Brilliant commentary. Thanks to David Tuller. I like the fact that he mentions Simon Wessely several times. Nowhere to hide now, Simple Simon...
     
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  12. Woolie

    Woolie Senior Member

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    Its bloody brilliant!

    The man has serious skills with the pen. I am in awe.
     
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  13. Woolie

    Woolie Senior Member

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    Honestly, really, the brain power per person on the side of the PACE critics far exceeds that of the PACE supporters. They're probably just as intelligent, its just they've just been trained within an an academic culture that values uncritical belief over critical analysis. So they just haven't had the chance to develop those skills.
     
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  14. A.B.

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    In their group everyone must believe in invisible unproven things that aren't supported by any reliable data. Such as somatization, conversion disorder, or false illness beliefs.

    That they are scientists makes these ideas look credible but actual data in support for these ideas seems to be close to zero. Meanwhile public health policy is shaped by these ideas.
     
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  15. AndyPR

    AndyPR Senior Member

    The ME Association have posted this on Facebook, referring to these two new articles.
     
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  16. MEMum

    MEMum Senior Member

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    Hi @Dr Speedy, yes I did realise, just needed somewhere to rant.

    I have just read on the ME/CFS Surrey group the "Getting started in managing CFS.pdf" from the Sutton Clinic.

    This time I've had a minor rant on FB. I'm hoping that someone can manage to copy it on to here, or I might try later when my son gets home.
     
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    dangermouse Senior Member

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    David Tuller is fast becoming one of my heros!! :thumbsup:
     
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  18. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    It's the magic beans they brought back which bother me, which they grew into a massive beanstalk up to their castle in the clouds. Nice to see Tuller taking an axe to it.
     
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    He's also campaigning for better treatment for military veterans:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27834232

    ME patients desperately need legal assistance as well.
     
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  20. JaimeS

    JaimeS Senior Member

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    So much sass.


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