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New PACE paper, more SMC spin.

jimells

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Now i need to log-off and treat my helicobacter with positive affirmations.

Well, if that doesn't work you can always go for stomach surgery, then go again, and again, while proclaiming that no bacteria could ever possibly survive stomach acid.

How can it be that institutions do this over and over and never learn that dogma doesn't change how the world really works, and that eventually the ignorance and lies will be revealed?
 

chipmunk1

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How can it be that institutions do this over and over and never learn that dogma doesn't change how the world really works, and that eventually the ignorance and lies will be reveal

well it's like the alcoholic beating his wife and then regretting it. If it happened once or twice it will likely happen again.

or it is always "this time it is different"
 

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Ironically despite all the spin, this paper is basically the final nail in the coffin for the deconditioning model of CFS. Many patients were rightly annoyed that PACE dropped follow up actigraphy (which most likely would have showed no improvement from therapy), but the coffin is pretty hammered up already and now the occupant is turning into a zombie.

The GET manuals claim that deconditioning is a dominant factor in maintaining CFS symptoms and disability. The GET manuals optimistically aim to work up to 30 minutes of moderate intensity aerobic exercise at least 5 times per week. I'm certain that with my previous interest in exercise, without CFS I could achieve that relatively easily in 52 weeks. But I'd be surprised if any trial participants, other than a few outliers, achieved that or any significant increase in fitness.

In the PACE Trial, average physical fitness was not significantly improved by any intervention, including GET. All the other objective outcomes were similarly dismal. It seems safe to assume CBT and GET do not really make patients exercise more despite all the hype. Even staunch supporters of the trial now suggest that the rather small improvement on the walking test for the GET group was a reduction in fear not an increase in physical fitness. In other words, those in the GET group, with walking as the most commonly chosen exercise, just pushed a bit harder for the test but were not fitter.

The GET manuals set a baseline and then when stable, instruct a ≤ 20% boost after 2 weeks, establish a new baseline and attempt another boost after another 2 weeks, and so on. It would be interesting to examine the case notes or other data to see if any participant actually managed to maintain any boosts at all. It looks doubtful. Combined with all the other issues, the failure to produce convincing evidence after 10 years and several million pounds of funding should be a wake up call to proponents that most patients' symptoms and disabilities are largely unchanged as a result of CBT/GET.
 

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Ironically despite all the spin, this paper is basically the final nail in the coffin for the deconditioning model of CFS.
Yes, it does seem like quite a significant climb-down.
Now it would be nice for them to admit that they've got the rest of their theories wrong as well!
 

Esther12

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Some more fun:

Chronic Fatigue: 'No need to fear exercise'
By Peter Russell
WebMD UK Health News
Medically Reviewed by Dr Rob Hicks
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14th January 2015 – People who have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) should be encouraged to see exercise as a way of easing their symptoms of exhaustion rather than fearing that activity will make them feel worse, say researchers.

CFS, which is also known as myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME), is a condition in which the patient feels exhaustion that does not go away with rest or sleep. It is thought to affect around 250,000 people in the UK.

Anyone can get CFS, although it is more common in women than in men. It usually develops in the early 20s to mid-40s. Children can also be affected, usually between the ages of 13 and 15.

Slideshow: A visual guide to chronic fatigue syndrome


Controversial condition
The condition has been the subject of past controversy when some doctors doubted that the condition existed. It is now generally accepted that CFS/ME is real.

However, the role that physical activity should play in the lives of people with CFS has continued to be fiercely debated with many patients maintaining that exercise could actually make them more exhausted.

The PACE trial
A study in The Lancet in 2011 involving 641 patients – called the PACE trial – found that a gradually increasing exercise programme delivered by a physiotherapist and cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) were the most effective treatments for the condition.

However, the researchers acknowledged that patients' organisations believed these treatments could be harmful and favoured specialist health care together with a 'pacing' approach in which patients set their activity levels according to how much energy they had.

For the latest study, published in The Lancet Psychiatry, researchers led by Professor Trudie Chalder from Kings College London analysed why graded exercise therapy (GET) and CBT were beneficial for patients.

In a statement, Professor Chalder says: "Although the PACE trial results suggest that CBT and GET offer safe and effective treatment options for a majority of CFS patients, the improvements seen in the trial were moderate. By identifying the mechanisms whereby some patients benefit from treatment, we hope that this will allow treatments to be developed, improved, or optimised."

Overcoming fear
The researchers found that the single most important factor in improving results was reducing fear of exercising among patients with CFS, accounting for up to 60% of the overall effect of CBT and GET on reducing symptoms.

Professor Chalder says: "Our results suggest that fearful beliefs can be changed by directly challenging such beliefs (as in CBT) or by simple behaviour change with a graded approach to the avoided activity (as in GET).

"Clinically, the results suggest that therapists delivering CBT could encourage more physical activities such as walking, which might enhance the effect of CBT and could be more acceptable to patients."

Reaction
Action for ME said the improvements to patients' symptoms in the trial were moderate and that one-size-fits-all treatment approaches for CFS do not work.

Sonya Chowdhury, the charity's CEO, says in a statement: "The significance of the term 'fear avoidance' is paramount. This does not mean that ME or CFS is a psychological illness. Nor do we believe that people with ME are afraid of taking part in appropriate activity or exercise – appropriate activity might involve a short walk or, for someone with severe ME, small movements or even sitting up in bed.

"In this context, fear avoidance is a well-documented factor that can affect the experience of any chronic pain condition, regardless of pathology."

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http://www.webmd.boots.com/news/20150114/cfs-no-need-to-fear-exercise

Therapists must ease patients' fear when treating chronic fatigue syndrome

WEDNESDAY, Jan. 14, 2015 (HealthDay News) -- Easing fears that exercise may worsen symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome is crucial in efforts to prevent disability in people with the condition, a new study says.

Chronic fatigue syndrome is a complex condition, characterized by overwhelming fatigue that is not improved by bed rest, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Treatments are aimed at reducing patients' fatigue and improving physical function, such as the ability to walk and do everyday tasks.

A previous study found that people with chronic fatigue syndrome benefit from two types of counseling: cognitive behavioral therapy, or graded exercise therapy, a personalized and gradually increasing exercise program.

This new study looked at how the two approaches can help patients. "By identifying the mechanisms whereby some patients benefit from treatment, we hope that this will allow treatments to be developed, improved or optimized," said study leader Trudie Chalder, a professor of cognitive behavioral psychotherapy at King's College London in England.

The researchers found that the most important factor was easing patients' fears that increased exercise or activity will make their symptoms worse. This accounted for up to 60 percent of the therapies' overall effect on patient outcomes. Exercise therapy reduced such fears more than cognitive behavioral therapy, researchers said.

The study was published Jan. 13 in The Lancet Psychiatry.

"Our results suggest that fearful beliefs can be changed by directly challenging such beliefs [as in cognitive behavior therapy] or by simple behavior change with a graded approach to the avoided activity [as in graded exercise therapy]," Chalder said in a journal news release.

"Clinically, the results suggest that therapists delivering [cognitive behavior therapy] could encourage more physical activities such as walking, which might enhance the effect of [cognitive behavior therapy] and could be more acceptable to patients," she added.

Other experts came to a somewhat different conclusion.

"We assume that an increase in physical activity is nothing more than a catalyst for the change in [beliefs] about activity and symptoms in patients with chronic fatigue syndrome," Dr. Hans Knoop and Jan Wiborg, of Radboud University Nijmegen Medical Center in the Netherlands, wrote in an accompanying editorial.

"Future studies should focus on how these beliefs can be changed more rapidly and effectively. In our own protocol, we ask patients to gradually increase physical activity and present it as a way to increase your ability to become active," they added. "Once a patient is convinced that this is possible, irrespective of the actual level of activity, an important step towards recovery is taken."

More information

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has more about chronic fatigue syndrome.

http://www.wsfa.com/story/27847596/...-when-treating-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-study

Gently motivating those with chronic fatigue ease symptoms
January 14, 2015


For those who have chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), the thought of exercise can be daunting. But researchers have found that by gently reminding them to exercise boosts their confidence to do so, thus easing their symptoms.

The study was done through an analysis of how cognitive behavior therapy (CBT) and graded exercise therapy (GET) help reduce fatigue and improve physical function in people with CFS.

“You’re not going to ask somebody who hasn’t been going out or engaging in any exercise for several years to suddenly get on their bike — you would want to do these things very gradually and carefully,” Trudie Chalder of King’s College London’s Institute of Psychiatry told a briefing.

“(But) our results suggest that fearful beliefs can be changed by directly challenging such beliefs, or by simple behavior change with a graded approach.”

CFS, sometimes called myalgic encephalomyelitis or ME, is a debilitating condition characterized by disabling physical and mental fatigue, poor concentration and memory, disturbed sleep and muscle and joint pain.

There is no cure and scientists don’t know what causes it, but it affects around 17 million people worldwide.

http://www.healthcareasia.org/2015/gently-motivating-those-with-chronic-fatigue-ease-symptoms/

Key to warding off chronic fatigue syndrome identified
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Reducing fears that exercise or activity would make symptoms worse is the key to treating people with chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), says a study.

CFS is a condition whose defining symptom is exhaustion. It affects everyday life with varying degrees of severity.

Existing treatments for CFS aim to reduce fatigue (exhaustion) and improve physical function by improving a patient's ability to walk, or to do everyday tasks which most people take for granted.

"Our results suggest that fearful beliefs can be changed by directly challenging such beliefs or by simple behaviour change with a graded approach to the avoided activity," said professor Trudie Chalder from Kings College London in Britain.

Fears that exercise or activity will make symptoms worse is an understandable reaction to CFS.

For the study, the researchers used a statistical method called mediation analysis to identify the factors, which are key to treating CFS.

Of all the mediating factors analysed, the researchers found that a reduction in fear avoidance beliefs was the strongest, accounting for up to 60 percent of the overall effect of two existing CFS therapies -- cognitive behaviour therapy (CBT) and graded exercise therapy (GET) -- on outcomes.

The findings could lead to new or improved therapies for CFS.

The study appeared in the journal The Lancet Psychiatry.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...tigue-syndrome-identified-115011400635_1.html
 

Sidereal

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Ironically despite all the spin, this paper is basically the final nail in the coffin for the deconditioning model of CFS.

Agreed. The PACE trial showed zero improvement in fitness levels and trivial (a few metres) improvement in the six minute walking test. These results support the alternative hypothesis which states that there is a physiological activity ceiling which cannot be overcome by simply pushing through the symptoms.
 

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Missed the BBC one:

Exercise can help with ME, scientists say
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Gentle, graded exercise can alleviate the symptoms of some people with myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME), also known as chronic fatigue syndrome, scientists have stressed.

People with ME sometimes fear physical activity can worsen their symptoms.

Reporting in the Lancet Psychiatry journal, scientists investigated how such concerns influenced the success of exercise therapies.

Charities stress there is no one-size-fits-all treatment.

Gradual exercise
About a quarter of a million people have ME in the UK, but there has been much debate about the most appropriate treatments. And the cause of the condition remains unknown.

Symptoms include:

  • severe tiredness
  • poor concentration
  • disturbed sleep
  • muscle and joint pain
Treatments offered on the NHS include:

  • cognitive behavioural therapy - changing how people think and act
  • graded exercise therapy - gradually increasing the amount of exercise a person does
But for many years people focused on adaptive pacing therapy - planning activity carefully to avoid fatigue.

A team of British researchers found behavioural and exercise therapies were better at reducing fatigue and disability than adaptive pacing strategies.

And a separate analysis by scientists from London and Oxford suggests these treatments work by helping people overcome fearful thoughts and behaviours - such as avoiding exercise in the belief it could make things worse.

Researchers say both beliefs and behaviours play a part in perpetuating fatigue and disability.

Short walk
Sonya Chowdhury, from the charity Action for ME, said this did not mean it was a psychological illness.

"Nor do we believe that people with ME are afraid of taking part in appropriate activity or exercise - appropriate activity might involve a short walk or for someone with severe ME, small movements or even sitting up in bed.

"Fear avoidance is a well-documented factor that can affect the experience of any chronic pain condition, regardless of pathology."

She pointed out that people with the most severe form of the disease, who are bed-bound, had not been included in this research.

Experts advise gradual increases in activity such as walking, working towards the more general recommendation of 30 minutes of physical exercise, five days a week.

They say it is important exercise therapy is carried out by trained staff and that both extreme activity and excessive rest are avoided.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30795506
 

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Sonya Chowdhury, from the charity Action for ME, said this did not mean it was a psychological illness.

"Nor do we believe that people with ME are afraid of taking part in appropriate activity or exercise - appropriate activity might involve a short walk or for someone with severe ME, small movements or even sitting up in bed.

"Fear avoidance is a well-documented factor that can affect the experience of any chronic pain condition, regardless of pathology."

She pointed out that people with the most severe form of the disease, who are bed-bound, had not been included in this research.



Action for ME were very involved in PACE from the beginning, and were the charity that advised researchers to drop the actigraphy measurements that left the trail with no objective measurement of results.
 

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Evidence shows a range of biological abnormalities on exercise testing which isn't accounted for by deconditioning and is correlated with post-exertional symptoms

What do the psychobabblers say about the phenomenon of PEM? Do they simply pretend it doesn't exist?
 

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Action for ME were very involved in PACE from the beginning, and were the charity that advised researchers to drop the actigraphy measurements that left the trail with no objective measurement of results.
Did they advise them to drop the actigraphy measure or did they just agree to the change? I thought it was the latter.
 

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Dr Neil Abbot's comment in the Daily Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/reader-comments/p/comment/link/73929357

Full quote (so you don't have to click through):
Dr Neil Abbot said:
Despite the media spin, the central fact remains ¿ as the original PACE trial data showed ¿ that the effects of cognitive behavioural approaches are modest, benefiting only around 10 to 15% of ME/CFS patients over and above the benefit of standard medical care. The majority are not helped back to health using these techniques, a fact confirmed time and time again when ME charities survey their members. As the Editorial accompanying this study says, most patients do not recover after these interventions, and ¿quite a few patients do not profit at all¿. All of us working in the field know that ME patients are highly motivated to get well, and more than willing to do whatever activity or exercise is appropriate for their personal circumstances, from a short walk to sitting up in bed. The notion of ¿fear avoidance¿ seems inappropriate and absurd in this context, however fascinating the concept may be to academic psychologists.

Edit: A longer version has been placed on ME Research UK's Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/MEResearchUK/posts/904965769548681
 
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Esther12

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Despite the media spin, the central fact remains ¿ as the original PACE trial data showed ¿ that the effects of cognitive behavioural approaches are modest, benefiting only around 10 to 15% of ME/CFS patients over and above the benefit of standard medical care.

I don't think it's fair to say that considering the potential problems for bias in a non-blinded trial.
 

Esther12

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Compare and contrast what was online at the SMC with what is now.

Then:

January 13, 2015
CFS/ME: the next step in the controversy



There are few issues that have created more controversy for researchers than CFS/ME. This disease affects around 250,000 people in the UK and in severe cases results in patients being mostly bedridden and unable to do more than minimal daily tasks such as brushing one’s teeth.

Whilst researchers agree that the disease is real, some patients fear that this potentially debilitating disease is viewed as ‘all in the mind’ and as a result researchers, their findings and even journalists reporting them, have been attacked for their perceived bias. Perhaps the most controversial piece of research was the PACE trial, published in 2011, which suggested that Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT) and Graded Exercise Therapy (GET) were the most effective ways of treating people.

At that time the researchers were unsure as to why these therapies worked the best. Now, publishing in The Lancet Psychiatry, researchers are able to explain how these therapies work and the, inevitably controversial, implications.

Experts came to the SMC to discuss issues such as:

  • What are these therapies and how do they work?
  • How big an impact do these therapies have on the quality of someone’s life?
  • Do they stop the illness from returning?
  • What does that tell us about the cause of the illness?
  • Are these therapies being widely used?
  • What needs to be done to improve treatment for CFS/ME?


Speakers:

Prof Trudie Chalder, Professor of Cognitive Behavioural Psychotherapy, Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience, Kings College London

Dr Kimberley Goldsmith, BRC Lecturer in Clinical Trials, Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience, King’s College London

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:V8BPaAxHsqIJ:www.sciencemediacentre.org/cfsme-the-next-step-in-the-controversy/ &cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Now:

January 14, 2015
CFS/ME: The next step in the controversy


CFS/ME (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis) is a disease primarily characterised by extreme exhaustion that leaves many patients unable to perform even basic activities or look after themselves.

Whilst there is currently no cure and the disease is poorly understood, cognitive behaviour therapy (CBT) and graded exercise therapy (GET) have proved to be the most effective treatments for managing symptoms and improving physical function.

Researchers have now suggested these treatments work by reducing fears that exercise or activity will make symptoms worse, and have published their findings in The Lancet Psychiatry.

Two of the authors came to the Science Media Centre to discuss their findings and how they may benefit patients.



Speakers:

Prof Trudie Chalder, Professor of Cognitive Behavioural Psychotherapy, Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience, Kings College London

Dr Kimberley Goldsmith, BRC Lecturer in Clinical Trials, Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience, King’s College London

http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/cfsme-the-next-step-in-the-controversy-2/

LOL - they're going undercover on the spin. Looks like we're going to get less evidence of their media manipulation from now on.
 

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Sonya Chowdhury, from the charity Action for ME, said ..."Nor do we believe that people with ME are afraid of taking part in appropriate activity or exercise -

This so weak. We don't need apologists for our lack of activity. How about a statement that PACE is wrong and GET is harmful?