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Margaret Williams Critical Riposte to Wessely

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Peter Kemp, Nov 19, 2012.

  1. Peter Kemp

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  2. Enid

    Enid Senior Member

    Brilliant - thanks Peter.
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    Thanks Peter for posting this - it's a very worthwhile read.
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  4. Peter Kemp

    Peter Kemp

    Thanks All. And here is the update! More of wessely's fiddling with history and using misdirection. The disturbing thing is that he actually appears to believe he is smart enough to bamboozle Lady M.

    From: Wessely, Simon
    Sent: 04 December 2012 17:23
    To: MAR, Countess
    Subject: your letter

    Dear Lady Mar

    I received your letter.

    You state that ” I note from recent correspondence arising from the report in the Independent on Sunday on 25 November 2012, that you believe me as guilty of harassing you”.

    You are referring to the letter published in the Independent on Sunday on Dec 2nd from 25 leading clinicians and academics that was a response to the article of 25th November. I am not an author of that letter, and did not have sight of it before it was sent. I am however informed today by one of the authors that the letter published in the newspaper was not the same as the letter submitted, and that some editorial changes were made. I can see that you might make the inference that you do from the published version, but I am told that was not in the original. I understand that a correction may be requested. It is anyway a little harsh to blame me for a letter that I neither saw nor signed.

    I think we will have to differ on our recollections of our lunch engagement over ten years ago. What I am certain about however is that I have never written to you at your home address, and never called you on the telephone. I have no idea where you live, and no record of your phone number. I do however have the letter that I did write to you before the meeting, which are addressed to the House of Lords. If you are interested I am happy to forward a copy, but I think that anyone reading it would conclude that it was written in a polite and respectful manner. If it was otherwise, I doubt that you would have agreed to meet me. I am afraid that I have not the slightest memory of what we ate or drank, nor who picked up the bill – oddily enough I usually have the reputation of being a rather generous host, but if my manners failed me back then, then I apologise.

    If we are going over history, then I wonder what you now think of your speeches in the Upper House reported in Hansard 16 April 2002, and 22 Jan 2004. I attach the transcripts to refresh your memory. By now I hope you realize that you were seriously misquoting and misrepresenting me, although I suspect this was on the basis of inaccurate material provided to you by a third party, and that you would not have access to the relevant sources to be able to check for yourself. If you are still in doubt, then you will find many of these highlighted in a statement on my website in which I point out just some of the significant distortions and misrepresentations in the material you were supplied with.

    Some of your language about me in that debate was also distinctly unparliamentary, and again I suspect was not your voice. I note that Lord Addington speaking after you remarked that that the debate “would make libel lawyers feel like dieters looking in a cake shop window” . I wonder if you in turn regret some of what you said that day, looking back in time as we are.

    Yours sincerely

    Professor Simon Wessely

    Professor Simon Wessely
    Vice Dean, Institute of Psychiatry
    Head, Department of Psychological Medicine
    Director, King’s Centre for Military Health Research
    King’s College London


    From: MAR, Countess
    Sent: 05 December 2012 18:40
    To: 'Wessely, Simon'
    Subject: RE: your letter

    Dear Professor Wessely

    Thank you for replying to my letter of 4 December 2012.

    I found your response unsatisfactory in that you chose not to answer my questions and instead made derogatory comments about me, about which I will simply say that I am sorry your long-term memory is so selective. However, I can tell you that regarding the letter in the Independent on Sunday signed by 27 of your colleagues, I have received a very gracious apology from Professor White for any inference that may be drawn from it, which I have accepted.

    I have no wish to enter into an unproductive and personalised correspondence with you because the issue of how people with ME are treated is far too important to be side-tracked by such diversions.

    Instead I will ask you again: the data from the FINE and PACE trials strongly suggest that the psychosocial model of ME/CFS, which you first proposed, is wrong. These were large trials involving several hundred people and which cost the UK taxpayer several million pounds.

    In the light of these results, do you still believe that ME/CFS is “perpetuated predominantly by dysfunctional beliefs and coping behaviours”?

    If not, do you not have a duty to say this clearly, in plain language, so that other, more productive lines of research can be pursued?

    When data suggest a model is wrong it must either be amended or discarded and the data is clear, so what is your intention? The harm that may result from pursuing wrong ideas in medicine cannot be overstated.

    In your reply you ask if I regret some of the things I said about you. I have seen and heard nothing that alters what I said in my speech of 16 April 2002 and anything I might have said on the subject subsequently.

    What I said does not hold a candle to the scorn and derision that you have poured on people with ME and on the doctors who do not subscribe to the psychosocial model.

    Yours sincerely


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  5. taniaaust1

    taniaaust1 Senior Member

    Sth Australia
    A big thank you to her. She's doing exactly what needs to be done and forcing him to stick to the topic on hand and not go weasllying his way out of his responses.

    I wonder if he'll end up crying that she's harrassing him by insisting he give some answers to these questions. Poor poor little Wessely..

    Looks like Peter White knows when to step back and give an appology where its due, I doubt with his ego that Wessel will be able to take that same route. He will never be able to admit his done wrong and the only time I think we'll even hear him appoligise will be to try to stop law suits.
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  6. sianrecovery

    sianrecovery Senior Member

    Manchester UK
    He isnt really very bright, and shows the ridgidity of thought I would associate with someone unable to revise a position because they have made an emotional investment in it.

    Perhaps a pyscho-social intervention aimed at helping him confront his mistaken beliefs could assist him.
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  7. Enid

    Enid Senior Member

    Quiet cup of tea and a cosy chat by the fireside ? (and with a bit of luck we might even forget his claptrap). Now has he the broad enough shoulders to realise the collapse of his empire (all in the mind removed from any real science). Would a psychiatrist help him to overcome his difficulties though I must say that is fairly benevelent on my part being told collapsed in A & E and told all in my mind.

    Has he got bowel problems - maybe we can help.
  8. SilverbladeTE

    SilverbladeTE Senior Member

    Somewhere near Glasgow, Scotland
    "Bowel problems"?
    Well, he is full of shit.... :alien:

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