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Lecithin for sinus & eye irritation

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by ebethc, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. ebethc

    ebethc Senior Member

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    there's a lot of particulate matter in the air today (pollution, allergens). I woke up w a massive sinus headache and irritated eyes. after taking some sunflower lecithin (NOW brand, 1.6g) I got some relief (not 100% but much better)..

    Does anyone understand why lecithin helps? (I'm guessing it helps mucus membranes)
    What's the max does of lecithin?
    What are some other supplements or foods that can help w this problem ?

    BTW - I've had comprehensive allergy tests and came up NEGATIVE FOR EVERYTHING... My allergist said that she thinks that I'm just hypersensitive to any particulate matter ... whether it's pollution or dust or pollen, it's going to take me down.. it's not that I'm having an immune reaction to a particular substance, any particle will irritate my sinuses/throat/lungs/eyes..

    I've taken quercetin in the past, but it's not 100% helpful, and has sulfur which I've avoiding right now. I like the lecithin better anyway because quercetin can be stimulating for me.

    thanks
     
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    Critterina Senior Member

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    Allergy tests only test IgE, and there are lots of other mediators of "sensitivity" and "intolerance" - two words that mean you feel miserable, but your allergy tests are negative. Sorry, I don't know why lecithin works, but I think I read something about that recently regarding a 4R gut rebuilding program. Try searching there.
     
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    Lecithin contains choline. Choline will upregulate the BHMT pathway, thus making Methionine available.
    Maybe you are low on SAM, and cannot use HNMT to clear histamine.

    Does chewable Vitamin C help???
     
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  4. Wayne

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    The whites of our eyes are actually part of the same tough membrane which surrounds our brains and spinal cords called the dura mater (tough mother). So in essense, the eyes are very directly connected to the brain. Since CFS is to a very large degree characterized by brain dysfunction, I can easily see how particulates in the eye can cause major neurological and brain discomforts of all kinds.
     
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  5. ebethc

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    @Critterina - yes, the scope of allergy testing does not include sensitivities & intolerances, but it's definitely the most thorough that I've had & when she said that my problem is more about reacting to any PARTICLE (which create irritation in sinuses, throat, lungs) that really resonated... Allergy medicines have never really worked for me.. Herbal stuff, yes, but OTC stuff from Walgreens, no. So, I feel like her explanation sync'ed w that conundrum.. I didn't see anything in the 4R program re lecithin, but I'll keep looking . thanks.
     
  6. ebethc

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    @UM MAN - interesting! I am definitely trying to stimulate the BHMT pathway since I am +/+ for BHMT 02 and 08.

    I think I'm low in SAM; I've taken SAM-e in the past, and it works at first (more clear-headed, less joint pain) then it poops out.. Do you think this is because I can't tolerate the methyls in SAM-e?

    What is HMNT? I don't know much about Histamine Intolerance, and have been wondering if this is part of my problem... How would I know if I have a histamine problem? could particles trigger a non-allergic histamine reaction? Or is the nature of any histamine reaction allergic? thanks.
     
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    @Wayne - that's really interesting - I've never heard of "dura mater" ... thanks
     
  8. Gondwanaland

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    How is your dietary fat intake? Good fats help with eyes and mucosa lubrication.

    izzy
     
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    Does cinnamon make you worse????
    How much SAM-e did you take? I only need 200mg ED.
    Well, yes, if you are not clearing histamine, then any added mild IgE reaction would be multiplied.
    Have you tried Molybdenum and Manganese? TMG?
    HMNT uses SAM to clear histamines on a cellular level, helping deplete your SAM.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/85/5/1185.full
     
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    @UM MAN - I've never noticed cinnamon making me worse, but I feel bad all the time... It could be some incremental irritation.

    I have a very severe reaction to ANY particulate matter - pollution, dust/pollen, and I believe mold spores.. I think my doctor is right when she says particles bother me, so it's not an allergic reaction, per se.. Taking anti-histamines has never helped me. Quercetin and other "allergy" meds help, but that's because (I think) they're reducing the inflammation. The brain fog from particles kills me; I have brain fog anyway, but any time I'm around particles (which is often, for one reason or another) my brain fog gets way worse. If benadryl doesn't help, does that mean my problem isn't a histamine problem?

    Molybdenum & Manganese both help. I'm taking Molybdenum every day, and Manganese every other day.

    thanks
     
  11. ebethc

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    @UM MAN - I'm taking lecithin instead of TMG... Aren't you supposed to take sunflower lecithin if you're sensitive to methyls? I'm not sure if I'm sensitive to methyls, so I just take lecithin for my BHMT... BOTH make me feel better!
     
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    If benedryl doesn't work, that means it's not an H1 histamine problem, but there are H2, H3, and H4 histamines that I know of, and there may be more.
     
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    What's the correct dosage for lecithin? thanks
     
  14. UM MAN

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    Are you on T4??? How much? Did your allergic reactions start after being on t4?????
    Have you tried DAOSIN?
     
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    @UM MAN - I am on T4 & T3, both compounded.. My symptoms are not related. I've been really sick w some bug off & on the past week.. I feel bad again the past day... I get sick ALL the time.. I"m hoping that the protocol I'm on will enable my body to make more glutathione so I don't get sick all the time..
    What's DAOSIN? thanks.
     
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    Have you considered exposure to MOLD???? Tax Exempt organizations, usually have AC that is only turned on for a few hours a day, and not maintained well. Look for dirty AC grates.
     
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    I tested negative to mold allergy - which doesn't completely rule out an allergy, but it does indicate something. My doctor said that I have a sensitivity to particles - could be pollution, dust, mold spores... anything that's a particle.

    No AC where I live... could be some mold in the radiators, but these are life long problems so unlikely to be cause by my current living situation... I think my allergist is on to something when she says particles bother me... I'm a mess on high pollution days - even when the air quality is on the high side of "GREEN"

    thanks
     
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    If benadryl doesn't help, does that mean my problem isn't a histamine problem?

    For me, Benadryl not helping means my DAO level is insufficient to deactivate normal everyday histamine releases in my body. I believe I have LOW DAO levels! On an IgE scale of 0 - 184 being normal, I score a paltry 6, yet, I have all kinds of histamine reactions. The significance of the cinnamon test, is, most MCAD sufferers' mast cells will degranulate because of cinnamon.

    Were you blood tested or skin tested for allergies?
     
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    @UM MAN i had both skin & blood.. A LOT of tests
     
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    @UM MAN - what does degranulate mean?
     

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