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heart rate changes while getting asleep / waking up

Discussion in 'Autonomic, Cardiovascular, and Respiratory' started by lauluce, May 28, 2018.

  1. lauluce

    lauluce as long as you manage to stay alive, there's hope

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    Hi! I've got a confirmed POTs diagnosis through tilt table testing (66bpm increase after 10 minutes head up, 90bmp to 156bpm, that is. The thing is that I experience something that isnt' described in any text about POTS or other disautonomy disorders. When I lay in bed in order to sleep and my heart rate becomes progressively slower, which is natural. The thing is that if my relaxation is stopped, say, for example, by somebody calling my name or the door bell ringing, my heart rate spikes immediately to what I think is the bpm I experience when changing from supine to standing position. But that's not all, I also get dizziness and lightheadness, along with a generalised weakness. In sum, I experience the same symptoms that I'd had if I suddenly got up from a lying down position, only that not due to a change in position, but due to a change from a pre-sleep state to one in which in more alert. This thing can happen many times while I'm trying to sleep, if for example my child is demands my attention from time to time while I try to get asleep, and the more times this heart rate spikes occur, the worse I feel. I must add that these spikes also make my POTS symptoms worse once I'm awake having already slept. The question is, of course, does anybody have this symptoms, along with POTS or not? any insight on which condition could this symptoms fit? Thank you!
     
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    alkt Senior Member

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    do not know if this is helpful but it sounds like the startle effect to do with the fight or flight response
     
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  3. HeleneG

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    Since I wear my Apple Watch I've noticed (it alerts me) that my heartbeat increases to over 100bpm just as I'm dropping off to sleep. I don't know what it means or why it happens.
     
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  4. lauluce

    lauluce as long as you manage to stay alive, there's hope

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    it might well be, however, this symptom started along with the symptoms from POTS, they're clearly related, maybe whatever physiological disturbance that is causing my POTS does also affect this "startle effect" phenomena?
     
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  5. lauluce

    lauluce as long as you manage to stay alive, there's hope

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    we are indeed full of mysteries, aren't we? does that watch logs your heart rate over the whole day? I'd love to have such a device, I'll get one as soon as I can
     
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  6. lafarfelue

    lafarfelue Senior Member

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    Sounds like you might have the hyperadrenergic form of POTS. (I have this, as does my Mum by her symptoms).

    There are a few threads which discuss that here and on the Healthrising forums. There seems to be some evidence that it can tie in with EDS and MCAS.

    There's also inappropriate sinus tachycardia (IST) that has symptom overlap with hyperPOTS, however I'm unsure what proportion of PwME present with this vs hyperPOTS.

    A heart rate monitor is a great investment.
     
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  7. HeleneG

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    It doesn't feel like a startle response. Almost the opposite. It feels like really drifting off to sleep changes my blood pressure and heart rate. I just took shower and my heart rate went from 50 to 40 to 199 to 64 and back up. I don't know whether it is standing up, hot water or having my hands above my head while washing my hair. Often, I don't feel any different, though today I felt dizzy.
     
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  8. lauluce

    lauluce as long as you manage to stay alive, there's hope

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    what makes you thing I might have that form of POTS? thanks for your reply!
     
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  9. lafarfelue

    lafarfelue Senior Member

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    I'm very tired at the moment. If you have a look in the forums and search for it online, there's a lot of info out there.
     
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  10. lauluce

    lauluce as long as you manage to stay alive, there's hope

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    thank you! I started to search for it.
     
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  11. lauluce

    lauluce as long as you manage to stay alive, there's hope

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    I should also add one thing: there is one thing that makes the symptoms banish completely for a short period, the emotion of RAGE. The few times I felt genuinely enraged and prepared to literally fight with another person are also the very few times I felt healthy in the last 20 years, all the pots symptoms simply disappeared while the rage lasted. Does this sound familiar to anybody?
     
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  12. HeleneG

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    Thanks for your suggestions. I'm still trying to understand all I'm learning about.
     
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