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Getting to the bottom of Border Collie collapse

Hajnalka

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Personally I would love to share this illness with fluffy four-legged patients and to be sent to a clinic with all of them. :) Cuteness Battle Therapy!
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Jenny TipsforME

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if a diagnostic marker and treatment is found for dogs before it's found for me I'm going to be thoroughly peeved.
On Crufts last year the SuperVet was saying that vets and human doctors need to share knowledge more effectively. There's several areas where other-animal medicine is more advanced than human medicine. I think cancer was one.

My dog certainly gets more attentive medical care and humane treatment than I do. I'm having some similar symptoms to my dog at the moment but we're following up with the vet first, knowing my dog will be taken more seriously than me! If it is something i could also have (which seems possible) I'll then follow up with my doctor...

Fortunately she doesn't have any exertion intolerance issues and completely recharges super quick after a long walk. Having a :dog: with ME/CFS would be a particular type of heart break.

I have come across dog CFS research a couple of times. When I had high creatine kinase and googled for ME research I came across dog CFS studies not human. We've discussed this on another thread.

I suppose dogs can't be asked to complete loads of subjective questionnaires, and who knows what their illness beliefs are, but no-one is blaming them. This leads to more objective tests as a necessity.
 

Hajnalka

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My dog certainly gets more attentive medical care and humane treatment than I do.
Mine, too! I'm happy, I'm not alone with these thoughts. :) Every time we're at my dog's vet, I'm jealous and wish I had a GP who's a little bit like that. :dog:

From a more "philosophical" angel: I wrote my dissertation about language regarding human-animal-relations. The interesting thing is, that until today people basicly haven't managed to come up with a definition, what is supposed to draw a clear line between humans and animals. One example from the history of trying:
When Plato gave Socrates's definition of man as "featherless bipeds" and was much praised for the definition, Diogenes plucked a chicken and brought it into Plato's Academy, saying, "Behold! I've brought you a man." After this incident, "with broad flat nails" was added to Plato's definition.
;) I love this story, the "broad flat nails" make me chuckle every time.