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gastrotic problems that get worse

Discussion in 'Gastrointestinal and Urinary' started by eric_gladiator, Nov 19, 2017.

  1. eric_gladiator

    eric_gladiator Senior Member

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    It took me a few months to do more than feel bloated as if I had eaten a lot. at first I only had some gas but with the weeks they got worse without knowing why, until I reached a point that I am almost unable to eat anything since I am very bloated and that causes me a lot of anguish. I have tried probiotics, enzymes, treatments for dyspepsia ... everything alleviates something but the problem progresses and I do not know how to stop it. As a result I am sleeping very badly, there is no night that does not have nightmares or it costs me hours to sleep because of my bad digestion
     
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    I used to have a lot of discomfort after eating but after a few months of using betaine HCL with pepsin to counter low stomach acid, my digestion improved considerably. I had to start at a low dose of betaine HCL (I think my stomach lining had thinned due to very low HCL) but was able to work my way up to higher doses within a couple of weeks.
     
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    I'm with @PatJ - taking hcl with pepsin made a huge difference with my digestion. Before started taking it, it felt like food would just sit in my stomach for hours. A doctor told me to titrate up to a dose where I felt "acidy" and then to back off by one. I have been taking it for years.
     
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    eric_gladiator Senior Member

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    @PatJ @Mary

    I already take it and I do not notice anything special, should I increase the dose? I do not know if it would be a good idea to continue taking chemical drugs that can cause other problems
     
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    Did you try digestive enzymes?

    The probiotic that helped me a lot is Probiopure/Bifidobacterium Longum
     
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    That sounds like it could be SIBO. Have you looked into that? I had it very bad and still have it to some degree, although it has improved a lot with treatment.

    I still have some gas locks at night, that bother me quite often and interrupt my sleeping a little bit.

    Bloating is a classic SIBO symptom and sometimes the worst symptom people get.

    Jim
     
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    The usual recommendation is to increase the dose with each regular meal (that contains protein) until you feel warmth in your stomach; then back off by one capsule.

    I noticed from the very first dose that my digestion improved.

    In my case I would have many more problems from not taking betaine HCL. There's no doubt that I don't produce enough stomach acid. Low stomach acid has many serious effects on a body so supplementing is the right thing to do in my case.
     
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    eric_gladiator Senior Member

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    @pattismith


    if digestive enzymes, probiotics, betaine, natural antibiotics based on lemon, glutamine, ranitidine, cidine, flatoril, pankreoflat ... all without success


    @PatJ


    Is it better to take it 15 minutes before or at the time of meals?
     
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    Bottle instructions usually say to take it mid-meal. But in the book "Why stomach acid is good for you" the author says that he tells people to take the betaine hcl (with pepsin) at the beginning of the meal.
     
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    eric_gladiator Senior Member

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    @PatJ


    I think that it has improved, I have increased the dose, I did not remember that my doctor had recommended it to me
     
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  11. eric_gladiator

    eric_gladiator Senior Member

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    One question, do you recommend eating gluten free? I see people who eat gluten free and instead I see that there are doctors who say it is not recommended either. So what is the correct choice?
     
  12. PatJ

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    I think the correct choice is individual. Gluten might not even be the problem.

    Here are some points to consider:
    * Some people find great benefit from going gluten free, while others don't notice any difference.

    * Some people don't have problems with gluten but they react to the additives used to fortify most flour. ie. If a person has an MTHFR mutation then they may have trouble processing the folic acid in fortified flour.

    * Others don't do well with modern wheat because it has been so heavily modified to be high protein, yet those same people don't have any trouble digesting heirloom grains like Spelt or Khorasan (Kamut).

    * Properly made sourdough bread is easier to digest. There are some people with celiac disease that tolerate long-fermented sourdough.

    So the only way to know what works for each person is to experiment and see what happens.
     
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    Thought I'd mention that I used betaine HCL for many years with good results. I then heard about creatine HCL about a year ago, and have found I like that even better. I get the HCL, plus I believe I'm getting benefit from the creatine to support energy production in the cells.

    I also apply magnesium oil on my body regularly, often over my gut. The magnesium "chloride" is easily converted to HCL to help out with a low-acid situation in the stomach. The magnesium "oil" (not really an oil) can also be ingested, so going directly into the stomach should theoretically aid in digestion as well.​
     
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    Thanks for mentioning creatine HCL.

    Have you noticed if you need to take extra compared with betaine HCL?
     
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    Quite honestly, I haven't tuned into it that much these days, because the amount I'm taking seems to be sufficient for my needs. My attention seems to go where there's pain and distress, not necessarily toward things that seem to be working well. :rolleyes:

    Interestingly, I use the creatine HCL as somewhat of a condiment, with the tart taste being somewhat similar to apple cider vinegar and lemon juice, two other ingredients I regularly put on some of my dishes. But I actually like the taste of the creatine HCL better than the ACV and lemon juice. I generally use about 1/4+ tsp. per serving.​
     
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    eric_gladiator Senior Member

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    I used to take creatine monohydrate but I did not notice any benefit
     
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    I have new symptoms, this time I feel weakness after eating mostly in hands and arms, muscle aches ... how horrible is all this
     
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    In Hypokalemic Periodic Paralysis, there can be variation of blood potassium after a meal (carb intake especially), which can trigger the symptoms, so it may be a dysfunction in your ion channels.

    Do you know your potassium blood level?
     
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    PatJ Forum Support Assistant

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    This document contains two case reports where CoQ10 was used to successfully treat HPP:
     
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    eric_gladiator Senior Member

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    @pattismith

    refers to blood? next week I do an analysis
     
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