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Equilibrant Alternatives? (Oxymatrine)

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by tdog333, May 17, 2018.

  1. tdog333

    tdog333 Senior Member

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    Hi all,

    I've been taking Equilibrant for about 3 years now, and I am very lucky to be one of the people that it has helped.

    I am looking for an alternative now, something with oxymatrine(shrubby sophora root extract) because the calcium and licorice in equilibrant are giving me major migraines, giving me blood pressure swings, and lowering my testosterone quite a bit.

    I've heard there are issues sourcing oxymatrine from China because of heavy metal contamination.

    Any other supplements out there besides equilibrant with similar ingredients I could try? Or a place to get good oxymatrine?

    Thanks!
     
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  2. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    Some Sources for Oxymatrine

    Equilibrant (Dr Chia's brand) oxymatrine tablets are available here.

    Alternative Medicine Solutions oxymatrine capsules containing 300 mg of oxymatrine powder per capsule are available here: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

    White Tiger brand oxymatrine tablets, containing 200 mg oxymatrine per tablet, can be found here: 1, 2, 3, 4 and a European source: 5.

    I found the White Tiger brand (which contains both matrine and oxymatrine) caused dizziness for an hour or so after taking each tablet, whereas the Alternative Medicine Solutions brand (which contains only pure oxymatrine) did not cause this side effect.

    Note that Dr Chia says oxymatrine is not recommended for people with autoimmune tendencies or seizure disorders.
     
  3. tdog333

    tdog333 Senior Member

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    Awesome, thanks @Hip ! Going to order the Alternative Medicine one. Any other ingredients in equilibrant you think are crucial to prevent relapsing?
     
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  4. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    I believe the other ingredients only have a marginal effect, the main one is oxymatrine.
     
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    tdog333 Senior Member

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    Perfect, last question: I saw the dosage is proprietary for equilibrant, I read some speculation that it was 1G of oxymatrine per 6 pills(full dose), any knowledge on that? Just trying to figure out my starting dose.
     
  6. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    I imagine the oxymatrine does in each Equilibrant pill is very similar to the 200 to 300 mg dose found in other oxymatrine pills.
     
  7. Dallase1

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    How has the equilibrant helped you? Have you found any alternatives that you can take?
     
  8. tdog333

    tdog333 Senior Member

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    Just replied to your message. I did take the alternative medicine solutions Oxymatrine and could feel myself getting worse and worse, I was getting tired easier and couldn't do as many sets when I was working out. Back on equilibrant now and starting to feel better again. Not sure why but that brand wasn't doing anything for me.
     
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    knackers323 Senior Member

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    anyone know of a good oxymatrine extract in liquid form?
     
  10. JinZ

    JinZ

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    Have you tried the White Tiger - Oxymatrine version? I never tried equilibrant but the Oxymatrine from alternative medicine didn't do anything for me either. White and powder has been my combination.
     

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