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Equilibrant Alternatives? (Oxymatrine)

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by tdog333, May 17, 2018.

  1. tdog333

    tdog333 Senior Member

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    Hi all,

    I've been taking Equilibrant for about 3 years now, and I am very lucky to be one of the people that it has helped.

    I am looking for an alternative now, something with oxymatrine(shrubby sophora root extract) because the calcium and licorice in equilibrant are giving me major migraines, giving me blood pressure swings, and lowering my testosterone quite a bit.

    I've heard there are issues sourcing oxymatrine from China because of heavy metal contamination.

    Any other supplements out there besides equilibrant with similar ingredients I could try? Or a place to get good oxymatrine?

    Thanks!
     
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  2. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    Some Sources for Oxymatrine

    Equilibrant oxymatrine tablets (Dr John Chia's brand) available at equilibranthealth

    Alternative Medicine Solutions oxymatrine (300 mg oxymatrine per capsule) available here:
    alternativemedicinesolutionbetterlifealchemistlaborganicpharmacyamazon

    White Tiger brand oxymatrine (200 mg oxymatrine per tablet) available here:
    chineseherbsacuatlantanaturalnutritionalsgoldenneedleonlinemaxnaturebiomedonline (Netherlands)

    I found the White Tiger brand (which contains both matrine and oxymatrine) caused dizziness for an hour or so after taking each tablet, whereas the Alternative Medicine Solutions brand (which contains only pure oxymatrine) did not cause this side effect.

    Note that Dr Chia says oxymatrine is not recommended for people with autoimmune tendencies or seizure disorders.
     
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  3. tdog333

    tdog333 Senior Member

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    Awesome, thanks @Hip ! Going to order the Alternative Medicine one. Any other ingredients in equilibrant you think are crucial to prevent relapsing?
     
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  4. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    I believe the other ingredients only have a marginal effect, the main one is oxymatrine.
     
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    tdog333 Senior Member

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    Perfect, last question: I saw the dosage is proprietary for equilibrant, I read some speculation that it was 1G of oxymatrine per 6 pills(full dose), any knowledge on that? Just trying to figure out my starting dose.
     
  6. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    I imagine the oxymatrine does in each Equilibrant pill is very similar to the 200 to 300 mg dose found in other oxymatrine pills.
     
  7. Dallase1

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    How has the equilibrant helped you? Have you found any alternatives that you can take?
     
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    tdog333 Senior Member

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    Just replied to your message. I did take the alternative medicine solutions Oxymatrine and could feel myself getting worse and worse, I was getting tired easier and couldn't do as many sets when I was working out. Back on equilibrant now and starting to feel better again. Not sure why but that brand wasn't doing anything for me.
     
  9. knackers323

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    anyone know of a good oxymatrine extract in liquid form?
     
  10. JinZ

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    Have you tried the White Tiger - Oxymatrine version? I never tried equilibrant but the Oxymatrine from alternative medicine didn't do anything for me either. White and powder has been my combination.
     
  11. knackers323

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    equilibrant didnt seem to do anything for me when i tried years ago but white tiger seems to be helping now.
    i am taking big doses though, as i did with the equilibrant.

    it is going to work out very expensive, the raw powder tastes terrible and i understand we need to take large amounts of it, so i am looking for a liquid extract of oxymatrine but so far cannot find any.

    anyone know the contact details of the manufacturer of white tiger brand? i might contact them and see if i can organise some sort of bulk discount
     
  12. JinZ

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    You could try the ku shen powder. I'm updating my introduction page again with the powder information. The powder seem much helpful in my CFS than the whitetiger oxymatrine itself. I use a combination of both.
     
  13. knackers323

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    @JinZ yes I've tried the powder. It tastes terrible.
    Are you using the nuherbs brand?
    How many teaspoons do you take at a time?
     
  14. JinZ

    JinZ

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    not sure how much it's in teaspoon but i would buy a 10$ food scale. I start w/ 2 grams (add 1 gram a day till 6) and make your way to 6 grams in the morning and 6 hours apart in the afternoon (also take 3 whitetiger oxymatrine with it each session). I took 5 grams on my first time and i vomited and worst headache throughout the day avoid that at all cost.

    yes, it taste terrible extremely bitter but it's something that works for me. I just throw in my mouth and drown it down with water the quickest.
     
  15. knackers323

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    @JinZ how many days on oxymatrine until you began to feel a benefit?
     
  16. JinZ

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    I believe 2 - 3 weeks on white tiger/powder. The pure oxymatrine didn't do anything for me (maybe it did and I didn't feel it).

    Also make sure you avoid all activity that could cause PEM. I remember through out the years of CFS/ME I kept cold showering and I'm pretty sure that can easily trigger PEM.
     

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