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  1. erin

    erin Senior Member

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    Maybe, no idea. Never had acupuncture in my life. Don't know anything about it. It'll be good if anyone can explain this that who knows about it.
     
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  2. Wayne

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    Hi Researcher,

    It sounds like you're feeling fairly desperate, and willing to consider things that may be somewhat out of the ordinary, but that actually may have even a small chance of improvement. I regularly do a reflexology exercise that does wonders for my own neck. I don't know if your neck pain is connected to your vertigo [it could very well be], so I don't know whether doing it will improve your vertigo. But I would be willing to bet (a lot) that it will likely improve your neck pain. Here's a copy and paste of that exercise I posted a few years back...

    ""As far as managing this, there's a reflexology exercise I've discovered that helps me a lot with neck pain; perhaps it will help you as well. In reflexology, where the big toe connects to the foot corresponds to where the head connects to the neck and torso. Here's how to proceed:

    Hold your left foot steady with your left hand, take hold of your left big toe with the fingers of your right hand, and then begin to twirl it, slowly and methodically. You will likely hear and feel various kinds of cracking as tension begins to release in the area. I would do it for at least 2-3 minutes, then do the same with the other foot.

    I did this once for an ongoing VERY stiff neck that showed no signs of letting up, and was continuing to get worse, even after ten days. After twirling each big toe for 10-15 minutes one night, my stiff neck was 90% improved when I woke up the next morning! ""
    To make this exercise even more effective, while you're twirling with one hand, use the thumb of your other hand to apply pressure on the arch of your foot (that's having the toe twirled). Start just below the ball of the foot, and press as firmly as is comfortable. Then slowly and methodically, start bringing your thumb applying the pressure down the arch of the foot.

    The arch corresponds to the spine, so the ball of the foot area corresponds to the upper back (which is almost always tight when there are ungoing neck problems). By the time you get to the middle of the arch, you're at the middle of the back area, etc.

    The points along the arch will likely be tender in the beginning, but will decrease in tenderness substantially if you do this on a daily basis, and will likely be mostly gone within a week. I do this exercise about 1-2 minutes every day, and the difference it has made in my neck would be almost unbelievable for most people to even consider. But it DOES work for me.

    I use a DMSO mixture on my neck as well. I don't consider it a drug, but some people may, and I know you don't want to do any drugs. DMSO's safety profile and effectiveness for a wide variety of ailments is almost unbelievable. If you're open to what I do, let me know, and I can give you some specifics.

    Good luck finding a solution for yourself!​
     
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  3. andyguitar

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    From your description @erin the point is probably Kidney 16. Usually abbreviated to Ki 16. Can be useful for Tinnitus and dizzyness. But one thing I want to point out is that this does not mean you have something wrong with your kidney. TCM does not work like that.
     
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  4. researcher

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    I am personally doing acupuncture for about 8 months now. 0 progress, actually got way worse.

    I just switched to a new TCM practitioner. She said my spleen is dreadful, my liver's yang is incredibly high and my kidney is very week, thus the fatigue. Does this make sense to you?
     
  5. andyguitar

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    Accupuncture on it's own is not something I would try. And as it can be way to stimulating I am not suprised it made you worse. Using accupressure as a first aid, home remedy, now and again can help. For ME or CFS the best strategy to my mind is to use herbal TCM on it's own. What your new practitioner says can make sense but it depends on what your symptoms are.

    Here is my take on what happens in many cases of ME and CFS explained in a very simple TCM way: Illness starts with excess Fire. Cause of this varies from person to person. Excess Fire causes mayhem and effect most other Elements. You feel ill all over. Body starts to shut down to prevent further damage. Fire is extinguished. So the "Pattern of Disharmony" changes from excess Fire To deficient Fire. If you put 'Symptoms of deficient fire in TCM' into your search engine you may find a close match to your symptoms.

    As to how to treat it, that will depend on the signs and symptoms of the individual so apart from some very basic info from me sufferers will need expert help. ME and CFS are very hard things to treat. The symptoms change, sometimes from hour to hour. It's like trying to hit a moving target that you can hardly see. So some basic info. The first step is to allow the body to recover from the excess of Fire and not add fuel. Which means some herbs could make things much worse and slow your recovery. Hot chilli, pepper and Tumeric are things I would not use under any circumstances. As a food or supplement.
     
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  6. researcher

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    Thanks for your feedback. I will give acupuncture another shot for 2 months (have been doing it for almost 12 months now). If it doesn't work, I will put it off by 6 months, at least.

    Either way, why not Turmeric?
     
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    If accupuncture has not worked on it's own by now it probably wont be any better if you try it for another 2 months. You would need to combine it with TCM herbal treatment. Tumeric is very stimulating. If you consider the adverse effects on most sufferers when they are exposed to stimulation - noise, sound and physical stimulation ie phsical activity- taking a stimulating substance is not a good idea. CFS looks like fatigue but that dont mean it is, and that everyone needs to put more energy into themselves.
     
  8. researcher

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    I just changed TCM practitioner. The new one told me to give her 5 sessions, which I will. If no good results pop up, then I leave.

    Thanks for the note on Turmeric. I actually use it a lot. And I totally agree with you - the body wants as much rest and as few stimulating substances as possible. Totally agree with you!
     
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  9. researcher

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    Wayne,

    Thank you so much for writing this post, with such incredible detail. I will give this a shot starting today.

    Really, I thank you a lot for this contribution.

    I will keep you posted.

    All the best to you,
    Love
     
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    Hi Researcher,

    I'm happy to hear you found that toe twirling technique interesting, and that you'll be giving it a try. I'll look forward to hearing your results. I'm really quite a big believer in what reflexology can do, and thought I'd leave you with a link to a 5-MIN video that you might find of interest. I like Dr. Mandell, and agree with his approach to health issues.

     
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    For anyone having a problem with car sickness, I found fitting an anti-static strap to earth our car cured me of the problem.
     
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  12. researcher

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    Hi Wayne,

    Sadly I've tried those points in the past - I follow Dr. Mandell - but they don't seem to work.

    The foot reflexology seems to work. Will be doing 20 minutes every day for 1 week. :) I can't wait to relieve my chronic neck stiffness and pain (I have it for 2 years now, although it started a bit earlier on my shoulder blades 5 years ago, when CFS started).

    This hand reflexology exercise also seems great.

    EFT tapping does seem to help as well.

    If I control my dizziness this way, I will be so happy.

    Love to you all!
     
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  13. lenora

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    Thanks for the info, Wayne. I haven't tried too much reflexology, so it's something I'm open to. My really bad neck problems disappeared with my surgery for Arnold-Chiari Malformation (ACM). Like I said before, I have noticed that some on this sit have been diagnosed with it. Yes, I still have neck pain..but not to the same degree. I get tightness, but can do acupressure on myself to relieve it.

    My back is punctuated with marks from my fingernails as I try to pull the muscles away from my spine. I just wish I could find some jet fuel marked "energy" for us. Insomnia's been an extreme problem for over 30 yrs. Yes, I'm exhausted, but the sleep patterns are bizarre. Had a sleep study, but I swear that we're all given the same diagnosis. Funny, as I write this my neck is hurting. I tend to accept so many things as normal in this stage of life.
     
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  14. researcher

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    Wayne, I seem to get SOME improvement out of this. I will keep you posted. Thanks a lot once again.

    Any reflexology exercises for dizziness?
     
  15. lenora

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    Hi Wayne,

    I bookmarked your reflexology points for neck pain. Thanks for taking the time to go into such detail.
     
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