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Diabetes Meds

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by JAH, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. JAH

    JAH Senior Member

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    Hi Everyone,

    In Ron Davis’ last update, he mentioned that the metabolic signature of ME/CFS looks a lot like diabetes. And he knows of a physician using metformin. Has anyone tried metformin or another diabetes med?

    Thanks,

    JAH
     
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    alex3619 Senior Member

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    Metformin is exactly what you do NOT want to use to treat ME. Its a mitochondrial and PDH inhibitor. When I tried it again a few months back several handfuls of skin on a damaged leg just died. I still have a leg ulcer that will not heal. The issue is that Metformin and many of these drugs do NOT treat diabetes, but treat elevated sugar levels, a consequence of the diabetes mechanisms. We need to address the core mechanisms.
     
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  3. JAH

    JAH Senior Member

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    Really sorry about your leg- hope it does heal soon.

    Thanks for your feedback, all the best.
     
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  4. FMMM1

    FMMM1 Senior Member

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    I'm glad to see this topic covered. Ron Davis mentions a doctor who's trying
    I'm glad to see this topic covered. It will be interesting to see whether this physician has any success with this drug.

    Alex, hope the leg heals.
     
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    Ema Senior Member

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    I agree that metformim is a bad choice in our population.

    However, a ketogenic diet is useful in pyruvate dehydrogenase complex deficiency diseases by boosting the TCA cycle activity.

    I believe this is a solid work around with much mostly unexplored potential in MECFS as an alternative fuel source to glucose that also reduces lactate.

    It’s certainly been the most effective intervention that I have tried.

    There’s also some possibility that DCA could work but the side effect profile is a bit worrisome in terms of (mostly reversible) neuropathy. I tried it briefly but never got up to a therapeutic dose.
     
  6. hangininthere

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    I take Metformin for my Type 2 Diabetes the past 5 years. Nearly the highest daily dose.

    It hasn't helped my CFS.

    I noticed at first that it seemed to calm my bipolar a bit, kind of like a mild tranquilizer. I googled it and saw it can do that.

    A bad effect I have, though, is that it has seemed to cause muscle wasting in me. I'm so much weaker, even my hand grip is very weak. I googled that too, and it can do that.

    The muscle weakness happened after being on the Metformin - 15 years after I went CFS bedridden - so I know it's from the Metformin, not just from the deconditioning.

    Patti
     
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  7. FMMM1

    FMMM1 Senior Member

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    Bit rushed here ---

    Check out Health Rising there's due to be a drug trial i.e. targeted at the HPA axis.

    Jonas Bergquist is doing an OMF study on steroids.

    Both of the above are being run this year; so maybe we'll have something more.

    Don't know if the above fits with this drug i.e. if this drug has any effect on the HPA axis.
     

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