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Daily Express doctor covers ME/CFS (22/8/2017)

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  1. charles shepherd

    charles shepherd Senior Member

    Daily Express doctor covers ME/CFS (22/8/2017)

    Q "SOMEONE I know has ME. She is very young and seems to be gaining weight very quickly. What is ME and how it can be treated?"

    A "MYALGIC encephalomyeltis (ME) is also often referred to as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

    It is a long-term illness with numerous symptoms, although the most common one is extreme tiredness and feeling generally unwell.

    Others can include muscle or joint pain, headaches, sleep problems, feeling dizzy, nauseous and problems with concentrating or memory.

    Weight gain is not a symptom of ME but a sedentary lifestyle and eating too much of the wrong foods can lead to the pounds piling on.

    ME can affect anyone of any age, including children but it seems to be more common in women between their mid 20s and mid 40s.

    The cause of ME is not known but it has been suggested that it may be triggered by a viral infection and certain factors, such as mental health conditions including depression.

    An underlying abnormality with the immune system may make someone more at risk of developing the condition.

    There isn’t a specific test for ME, so it is usually diagnosed by a specialist after other conditions have been excluded.

    Treatment aims to reduce the symptoms and, depending on the illness, may include talking therapies, such as cognitive behaviour therapy, a programme of gradual increase in activity and medication to help control pain or improve mood.

    Most people with ME do usually get better over time."

    MEA response:

    Dear Dr Leonard

    Your Q and A item in the Daily Express today about ME/CFS has provoked a lot of interest and some valid criticisms on the MEA Facebook page:

    To quickly summarise:

    1 The cardinal diagnostic features of ME/CFS are exercise-induced muscle fatigue and post-exertional malaise/symptom exacerbation

    2 As with any long term disabling condition, some people with ME/CFS will go on to develop clinical depression at some point. However, depression, or other mental health problems, are not a recognised trigger factor for ME/CFS

    3 We are regularly dealing with queries about both weight loss and weight gain in ME/CFS and have a dietitian who has written about the management of weight change in some detail in our information leaflet covering diet and nutrition. Where weight gain is occurring, other medical conditions with overlapping symptoms (eg hypothyroidism and polycystic ovary syndrome) should be considered - as should the fact that a number of drugs that are commonly prescribed in this illness (eg amitriptyline and gabapentin for pain relief) can cause weight gain as a side-effect

    4 The information on prognosis is incorrect. While a significant proportion of people with ME/CFS do steadily improve to some degree, and a much smaller number return to full or near normal health (especially children and adolescents), this is a long term and often very disabling illness for many people. I would suggest having a look at the Prognosis section (1.4.3) in the CMO Report on ME/CFS. This report can be accessed using the document archive section in the MEA website:

    5 We collect a lot of patient evidence on which treatments help and which do not. The majority of patients report that CBT is often of no value, graded exercise therapy (GET) makes their condition worse, and that the most helpful approach is Pacing

    MEA report on CBT, GET and Pacing:

    The MEA has an extensive range of literature on all aspects of management:

    And we can supply you with a copy of our 'Purple Book' guidelines on research, clinical assessment and management for health professionals if you would like a copy

    If I can be of any further help please let me know


    Dr Charles Shepherd
    Hon Medical Adviser, MEA
    Member of the CMO Working Group on ME/CFS
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  2. Valentijn

    Valentijn Senior Member

    Translation: "My friend is sick with a highly disabling and incurable chronic illness. But my concern is that she's turning into a fatty, and that's just totally NOT okay!"

    Only by quacks and ignoramuses. And ignorant quacks of course.

    No, it's PEM, a form of exercise intolerance. Please do at least try to read the diagnostic criteria before misinforming the general public.

    Still no PEM? WTF is this quack even talking about?

    Translation: "Your friend is a fatty because she sits around and eats chocolate biscuits all night, not because she's sick."

    A lot of things have "been suggested", but most of them are really stupid. People with a modicum of intelligence and professional integrity investigate the accuracy of things which have "been suggested" before repeating them.

    Depending on the illness? So are we not talking about ME/CFS anymore? And again - do your bloody homework before answering questions on medical topics. Increases in activity exacerbate exercise intolerance, which is generally going to result in increased pain and disability, and a correspondingly foul mood.

    Apparently this doctor also can't handle basic math, and thinks 5% is "most people".

    But @charles shepherd probably has the more constructive response :D
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  3. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

    AHAA!! Someone call Sarah Myhill - it's a classic case of M.E.
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  4. AndyPR

    AndyPR Senior Member

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  5. AndyPR

    AndyPR Senior Member

    Hmm, I think the trail of biscuit crumbs has taken this thread off topic somewhat.... ;)
  6. Valentijn

    Valentijn Senior Member

    What did you expect, on the forum of a biscuit-induced illness? :p
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  7. charles shepherd

    charles shepherd Senior Member

  8. Ysabelle-S

    Ysabelle-S Highly Vexatious

    Also the Express makes the Mail look like an almost reasonable newspaper, and that's quite a feat considering how bad the Mail is.
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  9. Molly98

    Molly98 Senior Member

    I think Dr Myhill was on to something, we are coming out of the wood work or out of the closet as the biscuit munchies we are. Who would have know!
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  10. NL93

    NL93 Senior Member

    The Netherlands
    Some people seem to only be worried about the symptoms they can see their selfs when some one is sick. Especially when it's not cosmetically pleasing lol. When I got ill my acne got a lot worse and some people and 1 doctor seemed to be more worried about my terrible looking skin than about the fact that I had to stop going to school and couldnt stand up for longer than 2 minutes without collapsing.:confused:
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  11. Sushi

    Sushi Moderation Resource Albuquerque

    Yep! Okay, we're having fun here but too many "biscuit posts" make it hard to get back to the theme of the opening post. So, lots of "biscuits" were deleted from this thread, as creative (and yummy) as they were.
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