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CNS inflammation, Autism and Clostridium - how to test

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The links are many - Clostridium and CNS inflammation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostridium

One reason, that the inflammation may be neglected is that they cant really test it.
how annoying - once more.

Perhaps anyone knows or has an idea, all appreciated:
How to test for late stage tetanus?

I understand they do (reasonably priced) IgE testings.
but i suppose this is to verify the effectiveness of a tetanus vaccation.
Or could this iGE-test reveal anything about a naturally contracted recurring/ongoing chronic tetanus inflammation as well?

Is tetanus supposed to 'go away' or wear down after years?

I cant find any sources about this.
Seems to be considered peanuts by the medical experts..?
Any help appreciated :)


An FDA report from 2005 titled “Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed Tripedia” outlines a number of adverse events reported during post-approval use of the Tripedia vaccine, and one of them is autism. - http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm101580.pdf
from http://www.sb277.org/vaccines-and-autism.html

Autism and Clostridium tetani

Bolte ER.
Autism is a severe developmental disability believed to have multiple etiologies. (...)
The vagus nerve is capable of transporting tetanus neurotoxin (TeNT) and provides a route of ascent from the intestinal tract to the CNS. This route bypasses TeNT's normal preferential binding sites in the spinal cord, and therefore the symptoms of a typical tetanus infection are not evident. Once in the brain, TeNT disrupts the release of neurotransmitters by the proteolytic cleavage of synaptobrevin, a synaptic vesicle membrane protein. This inhibition of neurotransmitter release would explain a wide variety of behavioral deficits apparent in autism. Lab animals injected in the brain with TeNT have exhibited many of these behaviors.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9881820

http://www.sb277.org/vaccines-and-autism.html
An FDA report from 2005 titled “Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed Tripedia” outlines a number of adverse events reported during post-approval use of the Tripedia vaccine, and one of them is autism. - http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm101580.pdf

Med Hypotheses. 1998 Aug;51(2):133-44.
Autism and Clostridium tetani.
Bolte ER.
Autism is a severe developmental disability believed to have multiple etiologies. (...)
The vagus nerve is capable of transporting tetanus neurotoxin (TeNT) and provides a route of ascent from the intestinal tract to the CNS. This route bypasses TeNT's normal preferential binding sites in the spinal cord, and therefore the symptoms of a typical tetanus infection are not evident. Once in the brain, TeNT disrupts the release of neurotransmitters by the proteolytic cleavage of synaptobrevin, a synaptic vesicle membrane protein. This inhibition of neurotransmitter release would explain a wide variety of behavioral deficits apparent in autism. Lab animals injected in the brain with TeNT have exhibited many of these behaviors.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9881820
 
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By the process of omission,

biotin, folic acid, pyridoxamine, nicotinic acid, calcium pantothenate, uracil, and tryptophane were found essential,
and
riboflavin, vitamin B12, p-aminobenzoic acid, oleate, xanthine, guanine, and cystine were found nonessential and nonstimulatory to growth of the tetanus strains.

Thiamin and inositol were nonessential but enhanced the growth of somestrains.

The need for adenine varied with the strain and the medium from essential or stimulatory to nonessential.

http://aem.asm.org/content/6/5/311.full.pdf
 

barbc56

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How to test for late stage tetnus?

Is there even a condition called late stage tetanus? I think if untreated you'd be dead but I'm not a medical professional.

Edit. According to this source mortality can vary from 10% to 60%. However, many factors determine this. For infants it looks like it's almost always fatal.

It looks like you're concerned about the adverse event of autism that's listed? The CDC has to list all the adverse incidents reports they get whether founded or not.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index

I may have missed your point.

Barb
 
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Jonathan Edwards

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The links are many - Clostridium and CNS inflammation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostridium

I think you may be muddling tetanus infection with tetanus vaccine. I don't think there is neuroinflammation in either case. The toxin damages nerves but not through an inflammatory process. And for both infection and vaccination any toxin or toxoid would be gone within days. I don't think there is any chronic state.
 

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Most of us will have the tetanus bacteria.

In some it may have broken out at some point - more or less severe - and it will have left its damages/footprints.

@Jonathan Edwards
What would would be the best option to check for a past or ongoing infection, flare up, damage?
There must be one?

All suggestions are much appreciated.
 
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it is usually found in the gut.
no problem.

however, it becomes a problem when it leaks out.

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This assay offers a higher specificity for discriminating between toxic TeNT Tetanus neurotoxin and inactivated toxoid molecules than other published assays. Validation studies have shown that the BINACLE assay allows the sensitive and robust detection of TeNT in toxoids, and thus may indeed represent a suitable alternative to the prescribed animal safety tests for toxoids from several European vaccine manufacturers. Product-specific validations (and possibly adaptations) of the assay protocol will be required.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25769344