Can Kefir colonize the gut?

[Adster]

It seems "normal" probiotics can't colonize the gut, is there any solid evidence that Kefir can? I've seen claims, but that's about it.

 

[adreno]

What would make kefir different from other probiotics?

 

[Adster]

I don't know. Yeasts perhaps? Maybe the bacteria can only colonize in symbiosis with certain yeasts. Just speculation of course.

 

[xchocoholic]

Hi,

I'm with you on the symbiotic nature of yeast and bacteria. The scobies in my kombucha were
extremely virulent. I had to kill them with bleach. Nothing else worked.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but can you tell me why you're using the term "colonize". I'm assuming bacteria and yeast follow
the food as it moves through our guts and don't actually hang out where there isn't any food. No food = death.

Also, are there any studies on this ? I just can't imagine anyone proving this .. But I could be wrong.
Lol ..

I kept meaning to look at what function yeasts have in our guts but got side tracked. I'm assuming it has a
purpose tho. We know s boulardii keeps c diff under control.

Tc .. X

 

[Adster]

My understanding may be incorrect, but I'm under the impression that as soon as you stop normal probiotics that just contain typical bacteria, then you will not have any lasting changes. I think studies have shown that the bugs in these supplements can't "stick" to the intestinal tract and "make a home". Conversely, if you have a series of fecal transplants, the bugs will stick and colonize after treatment ceases.

I'm wondering if Kefir can do the same thing.

 

[xchocoholic]

I copied this is from a private message board .. I don't know how privacy issues work I'll give you the link if this person says it's ok and you need it.

The implants haven't worked for me and my health has deteriorated back to
where it was before I started (18 months ago). I am going to go through the
whole antibiotic/infusion process again I hope, just waiting on a consult with
the Centre for Digestive Diseases to reassess my case. I understand that
clostridia can leave spores. Now whether this is a relavitely new finding I
don't know but I was told this only recently and I think that is what has
happend, that there were spores remaining and now I have once again an
overgrowth of clostridia. It is possibly a different strain because I never had
constiptation before and reading from their web page on constipation they
attribute some cases to clostridia but they haven't yet identified the organism,
they just suspect clostridia.
>
> Actually, I am not happy with the full treatment I received as there was no
follow up, or checking to see if the implants were thriving or failed. I am not
very happy about this aspect at all.
>
> Also they never suggested FOS or any other probiotic or yeasts, I don't think
Prof Borody has seen evidence that they adhere to the gut lining.Although I
think this could also be why the donor stool treatment did not work because I
don't have any yeast from stool analysis done at another lab. I think the yeast
do help the good flora adhere to the gut lining as you also suspect

 

[Adster]

Thanks XC, interesting. Frustrating that the treatment was unsuccessful for them though, it can't be a fun experience!