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Biofilm, antivirals, antibiotics, antifungals: the missing link in treatment?

Discussion in 'Antivirals, Antibiotics and Immune Modulators' started by xrunner, Sep 17, 2011.

  1. xrunner

    xrunner Senior Member

    It depends on the brand. The serra brands I had tried in the past didn't work at all.
    However I recently tried a Serra that was cultured from Serratia marescenes (the one used in studies) and it definitely had an anti-inflammatory effect within hours. If the label doesn't say anything about the source of the enzyme (eg. dr best), it's not worth trying.
    As regards natto, I only had some results from a brand not available any longer. Here it's probably again a question of source and dosage, only at high dosage it seemed to work.
    Concerning Lumbro the only brand that worked for me was Boluoke, unfortunately it was quite expensive and I only used for brief periods of time.
    Of them all, Boluoke was the one that worked best for me.
    No idea.
    I don't know to what extent these enzyme actually break down biofilm. What I know is that they (Boluoke esp.) did make a difference in my case. Regarding asthma and COPD I don't know, sorry, my knowledge is limited to my own experience with Lyme/Cpn.
    Best wishes.
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  2. physicsstudent13

    physicsstudent13 Senior Member

    Thanks I've read serra or serraflazyme might help COPD. I still can't exhale
    I had a painful clotted varicose vein and on high doses of natto it has unclotted, it seems. I was taking the pipingrock brand and taking up to 14,000 units a day.
    I'm taking tinidazole+rox+doxy for Lyme/CPN infection. I developed terrible asthma after a bronchitis infection. I could never get my doctor to do a bronchoscopy though
    yeah Boluoke is pricey but if it helps you try hard to find a cheap source for it, or maybe a cheaper brand might be good I found some on amazon for around $40 but don't know if it's effective

    how did Boluoke help by the way?

    the NAC from piping rock smells fresh and sulphur, but I get the feeling that they may add fillers to their vitamins and they aren't potent
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2015
  3. debored13

    debored13 Senior Member

    Vermont, school in Western MA
    i had lyme as my cfs trigger and am debating trying antibiotics so i'm very interested in this. How would one go about administering small amounts of current to tissues or serum and make it targeted enough to only kill bacteria?
  4. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

    You could use the galvanic bath + antibiotics method I describe in this post and this post. Obviously, only use low voltage batteries for this.

    Note that this is an entirely speculative method of treating bacterial infections, as I am not aware of any studies showing clinical benefit in applying the bioelectric effect in order to kill bacteria in biofilms within the body. Most of the research is about using the bioelectric effect to kill biofilm bacteria on surgical equipment. It was my idea to apply the same technique to the body. I think it should be safe, but am not entirely certain.
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  5. debored13

    debored13 Senior Member

    Vermont, school in Western MA
    interesting. i'm also skeptical about taking antibiotics as naviaux thinks CFS is not due to ongoing infections and antibiotics could make cell danger response worse, but i'm trying to gather data. it seems like lyme can form biofilms and cysts so it is a tricky bug

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