ACTION TO HELP Karina Hansen.

[Dreambirdie]

@chipmunk1 There are a lot of actions being taken to help Karina, but so far none have succeeded. And yes, it seems to be an appalling violation of human rights.

 

[Ren]

i don't understand why she is still being held. How can this be legal?

Bodily distress syndrome is not even a mental health disorder according to Dr. Fink.

If BDS is not a true psychiatric disorder how can Dr. Fink justify kidnapping an adult?

Is it legal to force an adult terminal cancer patient to undergo chemotherapy?
If it legal to lock a chain smoker up to make him quit cigarettes?

What kind of doctor would do that?

The parents should sue the hospital and the doctors and the courts need to wake up see that what is being done is a human rights violation.

It's been awhile since I read this (see link below), but this is a history of events written by lawyer Jakob Skjoldan and submitted to the "committee who oversees forceful hospitalisations in Denmark" and the Danish Parliamentary Health Board. (English-language translation).
http://justiceforkarina.webs.com/apps/blog/show/42622428-skjoldans-letter-to-71-comitee

So, after the armed home invasion and kidnapping, Hammel Neurocenter Research Clinic for Functional Disorders [FFL] Chief of Psychiatry Niels Balle Christensen (NBC):

"(during Summer 2013) NBC shall have given Karina the very rare psychiatric diagnosis 'Pervasive Arousal Withdrawal Syndrome' (PAWS).

There are doubts about the extent to which this diagnosis is acknowledged, as it has no WHO code, and because it has only been used a few times, mostly on children in refugee camps. This mental disorder is characterised by the childs refusal to talk, walk, eat, care to its hygiene, etc. and angrily reject any contact with the outside world, including refusing any offer of help and treatment.

The diagnosis can not be applied to adults. Karina is now 25 years old! Karina has never before the forced hospitalization refused to talk, walk, eat or take care of her hygiene. On the contrary, she has cooperated to offers of help and treatment. (At one point, she could not walk or take care of her hygiene anymore, but she was still cooperative)."


And:

"As mentioned, it has been very difficult for Karina's parents and lawyers to get information on the reasons for the involuntary commitment.

But it appears that the incarceration is done in collaboration between Holstebro Municipality, Region Mid Jutland, FFL with professor and specialist Per Fink in charge, The National Board Of Health, The Police and The Health Minister."


Also, Danish physician Stig Gerdes has criticized Fink and accused him of conflict of interests, as his work has received millions in funding from pharma and insurance industries. See this post for additional info: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...-from-rebecca-hansen.29011/page-2#post-508084

Fink associate Rick Steele has said,“The common endpoint for these syndromes [medically unexplained syndromes, including GWS, CFS PVS, etc.] is a disability pension. The enormity of this problem boggles the mind. Merely supporting this group of patients financially rivals half of the public outlays for health care or social benefits in northern European countries..."

http://magazine.jhsph.edu/2009/fall/online_extras/alumni_dispatches/richard_steele/
http://www.ricktig.dk//klinikken-livet/A Novel and Effective Treatment Modality_JPM 1#4.pdf

 

[Dreambirdie]

And there ^ you have it!

Thanks @Ren for spelling out the details of the incarceration and the who's who of the villains involved.

 

[leela]

as if disability benefits would even come close to the expense of keeping a person in hospital for two years.
as if denying any person contact with their family, friends, and normal celebrations of life, and insisting their
pain wasn't "real" wouldn't actually *cause* a psychiatric breakdown itself.

these people are cruel, self-seving psychopaths with a bunch of letters after their names.

 

[Snowdrop]

as if disability benefits would even come close to the expense of keeping a person in hospital for two years.

An excellent question for Rick Steele.

 

[Dreambirdie]

these people are cruel, self-seving psychopaths with a bunch of letters after their names.

That's for sure. I hope the family sues for millions of dollars of damages.

 

[leela]

Fink associate Rick Steele has said,“The common endpoint for these syndromes [medically unexplained syndromes, including GWS, CFS PVS, etc.] is a disability pension. The enormity of this problem boggles the mind. Merely supporting this group of patients financially rivals half of the public outlays for health care or social benefits in northern European countries..."

okay another point that really irritates me in this circular thinking is that if anyone in the last 30 years had taken these illnesses seriously, done rigorous research, made available treatments that could bring back some degree of wellness and autonomy, then these "mind-boggling" financial burdens would not exist. he's basically saying "it costs too much to treat the patients to whom we have been grossly medically negligent."

and that's not even addressing an insulting an dehumanizing commentary that reduces people's health care tragedies to an undesirable
financial "outcome".

 

[Dreambirdie]

okay another point that really irritates me in this circular thinking is that if anyone in the last 30 years had taken these illnesses seriously, done rigorous research, made available treatments that could bring back some degree of wellness and autonomy, then these "mind-boggling" financial burdens would not exist. he's basically saying "it costs too much to treat the patients to whom we have been grossly medically negligent."

and that's not even addressing an insulting an dehumanizing commentary that reduces people's health care tragedies to an undesirable financial "outcome".

It's a new definition for "waste basket illness." Let's just throw these mind-boggling and undesirable financial burdens in the waste basket.

 

[chipmunk1]

Merely supporting this group of patients financially rivals half of the public outlays for health care or social benefits in northern European countries...

would like to see statistics supporting this claim. Disability payments aren't that high usually. Treatments don't exist. CBT is not so expensive.

most people that would meet the criteria for MUS aren't that sick or even disabled only the most severe cases would need financial support.

we have many chronic illnesses that are quite expensive(multiple sclerosis). Diabetes might cost $500/month per patient.

also does the somatisation disorder concept solve this problem? It makes it worse it does not cure anyone!

MUS will only get worse if we pretend it's all in the patients head.

Has the PACE trial shown that patients get back to work after treatment?

"(during Summer 2013) NBC shall have given Karina the very rare psychiatric diagnosis 'Pervasive Arousal Withdrawal Syndrome' (PAWS).

This sounds very much like quackery.

PRS is very rare and its cause is unclear, but its severity makes it life-threatening.The disorder usually begins with a 'virus', or the child having a 'pain', that results in the need for consulting a doctor or going to the hospital, even though no substantial cause can be found. PRS starts slowly, but the child then worsens quickly becoming reluctant or not capable to do anything for themselves.[3] They originally refuse to accept others caring for them, or helping them eat, and are very depressed and distraught

Learned helplessness model[edit][/SIZE]
Seligman's (1990) model of learned helplessness embodies that the learned expectation of having no control over matters in the environment is met with a generalized passivity response.[11] It is speculated that the interactions between the child and events in their surroundings can end in the child encountering feelings of helplessness and therefore, a loss of personal hopefulness.[11] The patient is scared to take part in the world and feels inadequate in facing internal and externalexperiences, which he or she experiences through the world and thinking about his or her emotional encounters.[11] This model is effective in explaining the degradation in children with PRS when trying to rehabilitate them. If the child or adolescent is experiencing the treatment intervention as forceful, then their feeling of helplessness increases.[11]

So an adult is diagnosed with a rare child psychiatric disorder which is mostly based on speculation?

Thompson and Nunn were the first to introduce diagnostic criteria for PRS in 1997. The current diagnostic criteria consists of:[7]

• A) Partial or complete refusal in three or more of the following areas: (1) eating, (2) moving, (3) speech, (4) interest to personal care
• B) Active and angry resistance to acts of help and support
• C) Social withdrawal and school refusal
• D) No organic condition accounts for the severity of the degree of symptoms
• E) No other psychiatric disorder could better account for the symptoms
• F) The endangered state of the patient requires hospitalization[7]

Did Karina refuse to eat or speak? Did she refuse help from her parents?

 

[Ren]

would like to see statistics supporting this claim.

I suspect that Steele's comments on expense are related to the following, 2011 Per Fink et al. book. (FYI - among others, Michael Sharpe and Peter White are listed as contributors):

http://www.amazon.com/Medically-Unexplained-Symptoms-Somatisation-Distress/dp/0521762235