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100 Years Later: The Lessons of Encephalitis Lethargica

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by antares4141, May 5, 2018.

  1. antares4141

    antares4141 Senior Member

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    Interesting 100 years ago they didn't interpret this as psychogenic:
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/n...0-years-encephalitis-lethargica/#.Wu4kIMbGzdQ

    Same for Celiac:
    https://www.cureceliacdisease.org/wp-content/uploads/SU07CeliacCtr.News_.pdf

    I'm sure there are other examples where Dr's demonstrated their ability to conduct themselves in a professional and competent manor?

    Maybe only after a little bit of abuse to their patients, Helicobacter pylori & Lyme.

    Putting into context the fact that their are no such things as conspiracies. It seems so weird especially in this day and age, with all the technology at their fingertips. Why there is such an aversion from authority figures when it comes to recognizing ME and other conditions like GWS. As a "real" illness.

    If I were to speculate I would guess it has a lot to do with liability and saving face.
     
  2. JellyLegs

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    I think doctors don't like to be in a position of not having the answers and so if they don't know then it must be psychiatric. Multiple sceloris and epilepsy were treated in a similar way. It is now coming to light that many psychiatric illnesses have a biological basis. e.g. anxiety, SAD, some types os shizoprenia...hence the rise of neuropyschiatry.

    The history of ME / CFS is a complex one with very muddy waters and careers based on certain theories mean there is a lot to loose not just financially.
     
  3. alex3619

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    The modern psychogenic movement started with Charcot and then his student Freud. Its not even close to two centuries old. There was a resurgence in 1977 (?) or so due to Engels publishing his BPS theory. However the underlying ideas date back to the 1930s. I wrote a three part blog on this. So far as I am aware it was the early 20th century in which these ideas started to take off, largely driven by psychanalytic theories, nearly all of which have been thoroughly discredited. They are certainly unscientific.
     
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  4. antares4141

    antares4141 Senior Member

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    You have a blog? Or here on Phoenix Rising?
     
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    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...e-and-fall-of-the-biopsychosocial-model.1075/
    This is part one of three parts.

    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?entries/the-fall-of-the-biopsychosocial-model.1081/

    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?entries/part-three-what-next.1099/

    You might also like to read some of the other blogs. Let me know if this link does not work for you, I am not sure how permissions work on this -
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?blog/alex3619.786/
     
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  6. antares4141

    antares4141 Senior Member

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    " I have said this before but I think it is worth repeating: if we have a psychosomatic illness because a physical illness cannot be objectively shown, how is a psychosomatic illness any more valid since it cannot be objectively shown?"

    Good point! I have a lot of issues with the supposed medical condition. Just would take too much time to properly dissect, I'm not as qualified to do it as I would like to be, and it would make a long article.

    I just read the first link. Hard to get my head around it in one pass. But thanks for the links! Plan on going back to them.
     
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  7. JellyLegs

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    I've recently joined Phoenix Rising looking for support, but I'm finding the length of discussions and way that they seem to go in different directions very hard to follow. My ME brain fog and limited cognitive ability is sorely challenged. I'm wondering if I have joined the right group? Looking for support and information in a friendly way. Don't mind discussion of different ideas - we are all different, a fact which happens even with well defined and physically / biologically diagnosed illnesses!

    Hard to get my head round a lot of stuff on here at the moment. :sleep:
     
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    CreativeB Senior Member

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    I understand Jellylegs. The information across the forums is varied and sometimes complex and confusing. I think you need to focus on the ones you think might help you, rather than trying to read everything otherwise it can be overwhelming.

    Overall I think the forums are great ... I'm fairly new here myself
     
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