This is the Diagnostic Solutions test referred to in this post.
Ah I have missed it, thanks.
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This is the Diagnostic Solutions test referred to in this post.
Yeh thats what I did last time though I'm not sure whether it made it before the weekend...I think I would ask Great Plains what is the longest time a sample is reliable, and if you can freeze it and/or send it with an ice pack to make it last longer.
This looks great Jason, however on clicking the 'order test' it seems to have a tick marked against diagnostic solutions where other options are listed like Red Labs and Great Plains. So it looks to me like this is simply a UK company doing referrals for what is effectively the Diagnostic Solutions test. Anyone else confirm?I ran into this test, it looks promosing.
https://www.invivoclinical.co.uk/products---services/lab-diagnostics/gi-map-microbial-assay-plus
More info; https://www.invivoclinical.co.uk/qpcr-gi-map
What do you all think?
I took a more thorough look at their site as it looked more like a pipe dream the last time it was mentioned in this forum. It looks on the face of it, to be a great value option for ppl like us living in Australia and it seems they will provide a report with dietary advice... though I suspect this will be extremely simple.Microba is an Australian company based in Brisbane which is intending to offer a test covering bacteria, eukaryotes and viruses. They don't say exactly when they will start, nor what the cost will be. You can sign up for updates.
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Yeh thats what I did last time though I'm not sure whether it made it before the weekend...
have you made any enquiries with Microba as to how extensive their analytes are so we can have some idea of how it compares to uBiome's entirely comprehensive Explorer Plus?
Don't you have concerns about paying $335 to a company which hasn't even got its lab established and could be a fly by night affair for all we know??
correct, they are simply a distrubitor/intermediary for our region for some of the actual labs located overseas.So it looks to me like this is simply a UK company doing referrals for what is effectively the Diagnostic Solutions test. Anyone else confirm?
This looks great Jason, however on clicking the 'order test' it seems to have a tick marked against diagnostic solutions where other options are listed like Red Labs and Great Plains. So it looks to me like this is simply a UK company doing referrals for what is effectively the Diagnostic Solutions test. Anyone else confirm?
It is good to see some research into UK options....
Regards
Journeyman
Not yet but I'm glad someone reminded me. Really I'm just waiting to hear any feedback from anyone whose used Microba here in Australia such as @alicec . They do a thorough and well priced PCR based stool analysis on the face of it. Hopefully someone whose received their report can comment on it, and if they're educated in these things all the better!Journeyman did you finally take the test? Which one did you choose?
PCR based stool analysis
Still nothing!? j/k. I look forward to hearing how you found it. Particularly in terms of the range and quantities of species reported and how it compares to uBiome Explorer..They don't use PCR, they use complete metagenomic sequencing.
I've sent my sample off. They said results will take about 4 weeks so a couple of weeks to wait. I'll report back when I get them.
It sounds very interesting. But if it were valuable, why haven't we heard any of the main ME/CFS researchers (especially the ones who believe that the gut is the main problem) recommend this?Did you all learn anything? I have not been impressed with uBiome, having done 3 tests, and my old doctor liked GI Map.
However, I was at a practitioner event last night and they spike favorably about Viome.
This is about the science of what they are doing. They claim to only tell you what's live, not fragmented dead stuff, and they analyze pathways as uBiome seems to (but better??) and give individualized recommendations for improvement.
https://www.viome.com/our-science
Thoughts? Anything else better out there?
I haven't heard the researchers recommend that we do much of anything except wait. They've found alterations in the microbiome, but haven't said much about what any of us can do to normalize it, because no one knows...It sounds very interesting. But if it were valuable, why haven't we heard any of the main ME/CFS researchers (especially the ones who believe that the gut is the main problem) recommend this?
I would like to order this test but I am not sure if I should because about 2 weeks ago I started to do small infusions of FMT (fecal transplants) about 3 times a week. I emailed Viome and asked them if I can still get tested or if I need to stop FMT for a time period before doing this test.Did you all learn anything? I have not been impressed with uBiome, having done 3 tests, and my old doctor liked GI Map.
However, I was at a practitioner event last night and they spike favorably about Viome.
This is about the science of what they are doing. They claim to only tell you what's live, not fragmented dead stuff, and they analyze pathways as uBiome seems to (but better??) and give individualized recommendations for improvement.
https://www.viome.com/our-science
Thoughts? Anything else better out there?
I think I have learned something important for me in running a CDSA, firstly in 2012, followed by the Genova GI Effects in late 2015. Both showed Citrobacter Freundi as a potential pathogen in an amount described as +4. I know @alicec disagrees that we learn much from these tests but I have learned that these tests quantify what could potentially be causing issues at the time of the test. If one runs these tests over a period of time then one can see a pattern emerge.
In January this year I ran a UBIOME explorer test and there it is again Citrobacter and they say it is found in only 5% of samples.
I have now looked into what a nasty bacteria this can be and is found in immunocompromised people. It's a gram negative enterobacteria resistant to most standard antibiotics. The symptoms it produces are for the most part the ones I suffer with especially during a flare after a period of extra stress - stuff like infections, trauma, excess emotional situations etc. It can cause a wide range of infections in humans, with the urinary tract being the most common one followed by respiratory tract, wounds, bone etc. I have been troubled for several years now with recurrent UTIs and when my GP gets it tested nothing shows up and yet I am suffering with symptoms that can be so severe I cannot sleep because of the pain.
It also can be found in the GI tract and that is another area which causes me trouble on a daily basis.
If I hadn't run these tests I wouldn't have a clue that I have this nasty bacteria in my body as all the tests the NHS runs come back normal (apart from my thyroid).
One point from having a bacteria like Citrobacter is that it will steal the vitamins and minerals that one is eating so no matter how good the diet is one will end up deficient in so many areas which certainly isn't going to help an ME/CFS person because our ATP is disrupted.
Genova always try to update the quality of their tests and all the gut ones now use PCR techniques but the advantage over UBIOME is that they give a quantitive analysis which doesn't happen with the other one.
Genova also indicate what antibiotics the bacteria is susceptible to as well as natural agents.
This week I have started Uva Ursi together with Oregano oil and have had a big improvement in my health in general following a few months of feeling dreadful with several infections following a fall which sprained both my ankles and caused huge pain. Citrobacter is susceptible to these herbs as well as plant tannins and berberine. Unfortunately I cannot take berberine because it interacts with my medications for thyroid and adrenals.
There is some advice from a medical herbalist that says one needs to stay on the Uva Ursi at a low dose for 6 months together with herbs like corn silk and marshmallow in order to heal the damage that is done to the lining of the urinary tract from these bad UTIs.
I am fortunate in that I can run the Genova tests at Practitioner prices because I have a diploma in nutrition and if anyone else from the UK wanted to run one for themselves I am happy to do this at Practitioner prices, just send me a PM.
Pam
There should be another bacteria which is antagonistic to it and helps keep it in check