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Daily debate about ME in Norway's largest newspaper. Been going on for a month or so.
Quick translation by Google and I. If something is unclear please ask. She and CBT doctors has bashed out when the Norwegian ME association has referenced their own survey. They won't accept it, since it is highly biased. I can agree with that, but then she uses her own survey. She charges 1500 quid per LP course. Of course she has a major financial interest in this, and she is not at all objective. What about her claims about no serious side effects seen in those studies? I think she is referencing to the SMILE study, one study from Reme (connected to Harvard), and another small study which I believe to be unpublished. Impressed @Jonathan Edwards? @Tom Kindlon ?
I find it deeply disturbing that she doesn't say that many patients have become much worse after LP. As an instructor she knows this. She should at least mention that patients do get sick. She refutes this because LP is only a training programme. How can you crash and wind up in a bed after a training programme?
If some doctor/professional wants to respond I can help with translating from English in to Norwegian. There is also possible to comment under the article, but it is a requirement that one register and that one uses a full name when commenting.
Source: https://translate.google.no/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/debatt/i/zWWAr/Studie-viste-ingen-alvorlige-bivirkninger-etter-Lightning-Process--Live-Landmark&edit-text=
By Live Landmark. Masters in management, and a Lightning Process instructor.
Lightning Process (LP) is not a treatment for illness, but a mental training program.
Trude Wiberg writes in Aftenposten on October 13 about the despair of living with ME. As a former patient, I know how painful it is. She also writes about bad experience with Lightning Process (LP). It's sad, and I want to take this opportunity to clarify: LP is no treatment for illness.
LP is a mental training program. Not everyone benefits from the course, but nine out of ten recommend LP one year after course. The figures are based on a survey of all participants over a year. 226 people participated, and 196 people answered.
Three scientific studies
Three scientific studies have been conducted on LP, two of which are published in international journal. A study looked at the experience of young people with CFS / ME. Seven out of nine youth experienced a physical and mental recovery after LP, one had no effect, and one felt guilty of failing to succeed and therefore felt worse.
• Live Landmark wrote this article about ME in Aftenposten earlier this year: Norway has a ME epidemic
Another study found that those who benefit from LP get an "aha" experience from the course, they manage to use the methods and they have a trust relationship with the instructor. Those who do not benefit from LP have not experienced this.
The latest study is a randomized controlled study, the very gold standard in research. Hundreds of youths with CFS / ME participated. One group received standard treatment, the other received standard treatment plus LP. The group who participated in LP had a significant improvement. The study showed no serious side effects.
Change your own state
LP is knowledge of thoughts, emotions and behavior along with basic stress physiology. Participants are trained to engage in positive thinking patterns and to turn off physical stress activation. It is a practical method to influence oneself and bodily reflexes
• Live Landmark was one of the authors of this article about ME in Journal of the Norwegian Medical Association: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Lightning Process Experience Fagfolk har sammenlignet deler av LP med kognitiv adferdsterapi, men LP er ikke behandling. LP har et kroppslig fokus og oppmerksomhet på å fremkalle gode sinnstilstander. LP handler om å endre egen tilstand, som er noe annet enn å ta seg sammen og tenke positivt.
Professionals have compared parts of LP with cognitive behavioral therapy, but LP is not treatment. LP has a bodily focus, and it also has attention changing your own state of mind, which is nothing like getting yourself together and thinking positively.
Participants have access to guidance and follow-up for at least six months and are encouraged to contact the instructor if needed. Having said that, my heart bleeds for those at home with an ME diagnosis, and I cross fingers for a treatment for those who need a medical solution.
Quick translation by Google and I. If something is unclear please ask. She and CBT doctors has bashed out when the Norwegian ME association has referenced their own survey. They won't accept it, since it is highly biased. I can agree with that, but then she uses her own survey. She charges 1500 quid per LP course. Of course she has a major financial interest in this, and she is not at all objective. What about her claims about no serious side effects seen in those studies? I think she is referencing to the SMILE study, one study from Reme (connected to Harvard), and another small study which I believe to be unpublished. Impressed @Jonathan Edwards? @Tom Kindlon ?
I find it deeply disturbing that she doesn't say that many patients have become much worse after LP. As an instructor she knows this. She should at least mention that patients do get sick. She refutes this because LP is only a training programme. How can you crash and wind up in a bed after a training programme?
If some doctor/professional wants to respond I can help with translating from English in to Norwegian. There is also possible to comment under the article, but it is a requirement that one register and that one uses a full name when commenting.
Source: https://translate.google.no/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/debatt/i/zWWAr/Studie-viste-ingen-alvorlige-bivirkninger-etter-Lightning-Process--Live-Landmark&edit-text=
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