Whatever you sayAnti-depressants do not make you high. They are NOT uppers. I would suggest doing some research on it.
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Whatever you sayAnti-depressants do not make you high. They are NOT uppers. I would suggest doing some research on it.
I forgot to mention, they are non-addictive as well.Whatever you say
So you admit its not a biochemical imbalance yet promote pills meant to fix "biochemical imbalances"Depression can be triggered by grief or stress
Please tell these guys, and also read some of the horror storiesI forgot to mention, they are non-addictive as well.
If you feel sad because of a lost life due to a debilitating illness then its not a biochemical imbalance, its a reaction to bad circumstances.
Is this a joke, someone feels depressed because they have lost hope and its caused by a biochemical imbalance?
YesHave you experienced the clinical condition of major depression yourself?
You can state all the theories you want but we do not have a disease mechanism for ME/CFS.You are stating categorically that you think the depression some ME/CFS patients suffer from arises because they have lost hope? Really, that's your theory? Where do you get your certainty that this is the case?
My feeling is that ME/CFS patients may suffer depression as a result of the neurologic brain dysfunction caused by ME/CFS, and/or caused by viral infection of the brain (which brain autopsies have found in ME/CFS patients). When ME/CFS patients feel depression symptoms, they may look for psychogenic explanations, but the real cause may be primarily neurological.
Are you aware of the recent research connecting brain inflammation to conditions such depression, bipolar, OCD and schizophrenia? Chronic neuroinflammation upsets the functioning of the brain, and may lead to mental symptoms such as depression. We know that ME/CFS involves neuroinflammation, so possibly that might be driving the depression found in ME/CFS, as well as the anxiety some ME/CFS patients experience.
That said no anti depressant was designed for an ME/CFS etiology (how can they be) yet they typically "work", which is because they are uppers.
Fair enough, but they still fix nothing, from Dopamine pumpers to GabaA receptor modulators to Serotonin, Norepinephrine, and even opiod receptor agonists, they are all uppers with the same goal, chase away emotional pain."Uppers"? That's a very simplistic notion, which does not even begin to cover the myriad biochemical effects that different classes of antidepressant have.
I use the term uppers in an emotional context but its not a scientific term. You are correct that they run the gambit from sleeping pills to stimulants and in between, but what they do is cloak emotional pain.@Alvin2, "uppers" is a street slang term for a stimulant drug, which is a drug that increases alertness and energy. Amphetamines and cocaine are classic examples of stimulants. There are some antidepressant drugs that have stimulant effects in their portfolio of biochemical actions — Wellbutrin is one and Strattera is another — but generally speaking, antidepressants are not stimulants.
There's a great body of research out there, but this sums it up:Some psychiatric drugs may potentially cause some mitochondrial damage — see this post for a list of such drugs. But this is just a fairly small list, and it is not even certain that they do damage mitochondria.
There's a great body of research out there, but this sums it up:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/mitochondrial-collateral-damage-thanks-to-big-pharma/5447650
Some people seem to do well on some anti-depressants
So you admit its not a biochemical imbalance yet promote pills meant to fix "biochemical imbalances"
Please tell these guys, and also read some of the horror stories
http://survivingantidepressants.org/
I use the term uppers in an emotional context but its not a scientific term. You are correct that they run the gambit from sleeping pills to stimulants and in between, but what they do is cloak emotional pain.
I'm happy for a better term
I do agree that there are some people who decide to seek ADs as a quick fix, or to avoid working on sources of emotional pain, avoid making changes. ADs don't really work that way though, in my experience.
The developers of antidepressants sometimes even spout this theory. It makes for more profit, family member dies and your not over it in a few weeks, you may be depressed and should buy their pills. Why suffer emotional pain when you can bury it with our chemical crutch.No, I'm saying that biochemical imbalances can be triggered by stress or trauma.
Similar to how fibromyalgia is thought to be at times triggered by a stressful event - mine started after a car accident. I don't know enough about the mechanisms involved in fibro to be able to speak intelligently about it.
People have made similar claims for Amphetamines, Alcohol, Marijuana, Cocaine (Freud anyone?) etc.I do agree that there are some people who decide to seek ADs as a quick fix, or to avoid working on sources of emotional pain, avoid making changes. ADs don't really work that way though, in my experience. They don't prevent me from feeling pain or anger or sorrow (God knows, I can attest to that!). What it does is more like, bring me back to a level playing field, so that then I CAN address the emotional work.
Anti-depressants do not make you high. They are NOT uppers. I would suggest doing some research on it.