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Have been very ill for 3 years since MRSA/ odd "episodes"

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Thank you for allowing me to join this board. Two doctors have suggested
My CFS to me. I have not been diagnosed formally. I have since the bottom fell out, been diagnosed with celiac disease. I have been tested for lupus, ms, seizures, metabolic myopothies, Lyme, myasthenia gravis, and am now in testing for CVID. I know that the dr will come back as always telling me that everything is fine. When it clearly isn't. I came down with MRSA 3 yrs ago and haven't been the same since. I actually contracted another MRSA infection 6 mos later. 6 months after that the fatigue was noticeably severe. Worse than any pregnancy. Memory loss had become extremely concerning. I was having a fluttering sensation in my brain. I developed food intolerances to more than 40 different foods and then my body started to reject everything I ate. GI symptoms were severe, I was losing a lb a day. I couldn't walk without assistance, and when I did the dizziness was horrendous. I was dizzy sitting, standing and laying. I couldn't walk straight and I felt like I was sinking into the ground. I couldn't get off the couch for months and when I went anywhere it was in a wheelchair. I was so weak. I couldn't put words together or hold a coherent conversation. My joints were so painful I couldn't walk down the stairs without crying, you couldn't touch my legs bc my bones hurt so bad. I was diagnosed with celiac disease and a neuroendocrine tumor in my pancreas, which was benign and was removed. I went on vancomycin drip before the surgery bc I was afraid of the MRSA again. After the surgery I didseem to get a bit stronger, until I started to decline back to where I was. I would have these episodes of severe dizziness (though I was dizzy constantly)brain fluttering sensation, and I would be walking, I would start to slow to the point where I couldn't walk, it is like walking through mud. My face goes grey and blank, I need assistance to get into a chair. Sounds and people walking by me are over stimulating, I am too tired to talk. I just sit dazed for an hour or so. The I can feel it lift and pass, but it can leave me exhausted for days or weeks. My question is, do any of you have these "episodes"? The drs don't know what to do wi me. If it doesn't exist in their specialty it must be in my head. I am tired of trying to prove I'm not psychosomatic. I have never been happier in my life except for the fact that I feel like I'm dying. This summer I sat in a chair in my garden, wrapped in a blanket while others did my work, and I thought, I feel like the woman in the movies that is dying from cancer and they wheel her out to be with the family in the final days.
The other thing is that my ANA is 640.... The rhuemy said it meant nothing. It was a phenomenon. My Igm was high, but it does go down to normal too. They have it listed on my file that I have mgus (pre myeloma ).... I had no idea.
I feel like I am bothering these drs. I wait for months for a new specialist or testing, then it's another dead end and I start again. The whole time I get weaker and sicker.
I appreciate any words of wisdom
 

minkeygirl

But I Look So Good.
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The way Cfs/me was diagnosed was test for everything. When the results came back normal, and everything else was eliminated, its Cfs.

They key I have found out is to find a doc who knows how to interpret tests which a "mainstream" doc thinks is fine. They don't understand how high or low normal is significant to us.

I got sick after I had a virus which I never recovered from so its not too much of a stretch to think the MRSA did something to you.

I suggest to hunt for a doc or see if one you are seeing is open minded enough to learn.
 

camas

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So sorry for all you are going through @Goimurph. Bone pain, food reactions, GI issues, elevated ANA, and MGUS can be related to Mastocytosis. It might be something to ask them to rule out. There are a bunch of links about Mast Cell Activation Disorders (Mastocytosis and MCAS) in my signature.
 

minkeygirl

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@Goimurph, Your symptoms could be linked to many things, so don't let people scare you into thinking you have cancer or some other deadly disease. If you notice, camas is obsessed with Mast Cell Disorders. I recently had someone suggest I had MS.
 

beaverfury

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I would have these episodes of severe dizziness (though I was dizzy constantly)brain fluttering sensation, and I would be walking, I would start to slow to the point where I couldn't walk, it is like walking through mud. My face goes grey and blank, I need assistance to get into a chair. Sounds and people walking by me are over stimulating, I am too tired to talk. I just sit dazed for an hour or so. The I can feel it lift and pass, but it can leave me exhausted for days or weeks. My question is, do any of you have these "episodes"?

What you are describing here is common in me/cfs people. The dizziness, grey face and weakness sounds like some type of cerebal hypofusion, dysautonomia, POTS ( ?) followed by post exertional malaise (PEM).

Search the various threads on Phoenix rising under these titles. Have a look at the wiki article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysautonomia

A lot of my autonomic problems have cleared up after taking antibiotics for lyme/coinfections so i wouldn't rule out your Staph infection as a continuing problem. (What you can do about MRSA i have no idea). But it's possible to get these autonomic symptoms from many other causes as well. Most people with me/cfs are unable to locate any infection.

Your brain fog could tie in with many things but i would bet it is being affected by your gut problems. All i can suggest for this is the usual - Investigate leaky gut problems, try the GAPS diet, take the right probiotics, get a fecal analysis, take digestive enzymes, betaine hydrochloride.

The fluttering sensation in the brain is something i have had and it drove me nuts. It's probably HPA axis, dysautonomia related.
I used it as a bit of a barometer for gauging whether i was overdoing activity as it flared at these times.
Mine improved after taking Stablon, but only relatively.

That's the limit of my dodgy medical analysis. Good luck!
 

taniaaust1

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I would have these episodes of severe dizziness (though I was dizzy constantly)brain fluttering sensation, and I would be walking, I would start to slow to the point where I couldn't walk, it is like walking through mud. My face goes grey and blank, I need assistance to get into a chair. Sounds and people walking by me are over stimulating, I am too tired to talk. I just sit dazed for an hour or so. The I can feel it lift and pass,

Hi, from what I've quoted above from your post... I think you could have dysautonomia of some kind.. as that can hit hard but then pass off like you said in an hour or so once you get off your feet and sit down (do you get better quicker if your legs are raised when seated?). Dysautonomia is common in ME/CFS and in mast cell disorders. You should have a tilt table test done to find out if you have a form of dysautonomia and if so what kind you have.

Your various symptoms including that bone pain (I used to get that severely) could be ME/CFS but you reallly need to get other stuff all ruled out properly first.
 
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Thank you for the responses. I have had a tilt table test...ugh that was awful. My bp dropped on the table but stabilized quickly. So they were not concerned about my autonomic function.
Right now I am waiting in the immunologist who did some more testing. She was the one dr that was excited to see me, said her receptionist when she called with the appointment. LOL...No doctor is excited to see me! I hope someone figures something out soon. I can't keep doing this. Thank you for all your advice and input...I'll check out the Mast Cells again
 

taniaaust1

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. I have had a tilt table test...ugh that was awful. My bp dropped on the table but stabilized quickly.

No one should get a big drop on that (thou some drop is normal).. I wonder if those who did your test knew really what they were doing. Do you know what it dropped down too from? Ive come across a so called autonomic specialist who knew very little about other autonomic issues other then pure autonomic failure which I knew I didnt have.
 

Wayne

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(What you can do about MRSA i have no idea)

Beaverfury, I've been researching Liposomal Vitamin C recently, and have come across references to it being used to treat MRSA. The following snippet was posted by an ND on "A Thread at The Vitamin C Foundation" (his entire post is at that particular thread). He mentions "bowel tolerance", but if you use liposomal C, you can completely avoid this kind of situation (because it goes into the blood and cells instead of through the GI tract). --- Best, Wayne
In addition, ascorbic acid kills bacteria and virus cells in the body when it is in large amounts above 1000 mg. It is somewhat more powerful than any ascorbate form doing this as many studies have shown. I've even cured MRSA using "bowel tolerance" with ascorbic acid. I'll never take another FDA antibiotic or vaccine in my life.
 

Wayne

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Brooks Bradley MRSA Protocol
It's been one week today since I started using the protocol reported by Brooks Bradley for treating my MRSA; i.e. using 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine both topically on my affected areas (legs, feet, back, neck, and arms) and snorting it from a nasal spray bottle. I am also drinking 8 ounces a day of straight CS.

Three days ago I found I no longer need my cane to walk. I no longer need to take frequent "breaks" to put my feet up. All inflammation is now gone, and the purplish splotches which have covered most of my affected areas for the past few years (I looked like a burn victim) are returning to a healthy color. My energy levels are nearly as high now as they were before I became infected. I am sleeping well again. For the first time in six years, I feel pretty much like myself again!

This infection had practically made an invalid of me. For the past 10 months, I was able to keep it somewhat under control using only CS topically and internally. This kept me out of the hospital and off antibiotics, but I was still very limited in my strength and energy, and in how much time I could spend on my feet before the symptoms would flare up.

My symptoms included red to deep purple skin discoloration, swelling, itching, infection. From my body's response to this new treatment which I read about in an email from Brooks Bradley to this list I now feel confident that this infection will be cured altogether in a short time.

I am using my home-brewed CS, "Now" brand 100% vegetable glycerine, and unbranded 99% pure DMSO intended for veterinary use and distributed by FWI of Tulsa, OK. I bought the glycerine and the DMSO from amazon.com. Thank you Brooks Bradley and thanks to Mike Devour and everyone on the silver list. You have given me my life back. :)

I hope that this will be of help to others suffering as I did, and if anyone knows a good place to repost this message where it might help others, they have my unconditional permission to do so. Thanks again, indi
 
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thank you for all of your input.
Saw my primary and she is sending me back to oncology to take a look at my bone marrow, due to the bone and spine pain. However, she has already put in my file that through the process of elimination she is diagnosing me as CFS. Told me to get a massage, and acupuncture, and I need to consider antidepressants.
I get worse every day, and all I have is get a massage? I am trying to get in with another dr., but it may take a very long time to be seen. What in the world do I do in the mean time?
 
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GOIMURPH, your story is just like mine. 3.5 year ago I was hospitalized for MRSA. continued to get infections afterwards but caught them in time to get antibiotics that did work. Then began my decolonizing journey. However ever since then, I have had the worst GI symptoms, crushing fatigue, memory issues all the hallmarks of ME/CFS. My wife and I can see when I am going to have a bad day because I get skin rashes on my face. In order to even function in life, I have found a combination of antibiotics and anti-fungals that work. After naturalpathy and all other pseudosciences did nothing for me, I was left with this option only. Today I am well enough to write, but many days I cannot talk well, and with joint pain, back pain, but the cognitive issues are the hardest part. In short, I have become an invalid and as a man I struggle to not consider a more permanent approach to ending the misery.

I pray they find a solution soon that will last. For now, I am lucky that today I am on my feet and able to function, but I am one meal away from being bedridden as I can't tell what food will take me out day to day.

Also, if anyone in my house gets sick, I 100% of the time also have it. My immune system doesn't catch anything anymore.

Anyway I shared your story with those I know so they can see that our experience isn't unique. I am so sorry for your experience too. I wish there was more we could do. I read the solutions presented in this thread and wish it was that simple for me.
 
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Beaverfury wrote
"A lot of my autonomic problems have cleared up after taking antibiotics for lyme/coinfections so i wouldn't rule out your Staph infection as a continuing problem. (What you can do about MRSA i have no idea). But it's possible to get these autonomic symptoms from many other causes as well. Most people with me/cfs are unable to locate any infection."

I could not agree more. I got much of my life back after finding combinations of antifungals and antimicrobials. Specifically for me what worked after testing many were Doxycycline, azithromycin, and I take different antifungals in pulsed doses as fungal infection exists in places like ears and mouth. When I try to stop medication I always crash with major GI issues, pain, fatigue, and the worst part cognitive issues. I can't work still, but I can raise my kids at least.

There may be a viral component that continues to rear its ugly head too, but cannot get a doctor to prescribe anything as nothing gets found. I think the MRSA destroys the immune system. Search for the following title and find just one of many articles on this issue....

Search string:
Staphylococcus aureus bacteria turns immune system against itself