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I recall when this study was published back in October. Quite an interesting/amusing (depending on your point of view) critique of this and the way in which is was publicised.
I came across this earlier this morning from Edzard Ernst. In his blog titled: "No negatives please we are alternative!" I have taken the following extract (date: 21 November 2012):
Hmmm... well I wonder if he'd say the same about the PACE Trial and CBT and GET methods, application, and results? Of course not!
"Adopting CBT or GET on a grand scale would also stop us looking for a treatment that is truly effective beyond a placebo – and that surely would not be in the best interest of the patient."
Aren't I naughty? Ha! Don't take that seriously folks! Blimey. It could be re-posted all across t'internet if I'm not careful with no context or disclaimer
I digress, it's an interesting blog article I think and he's an interesting chap - reminds me of a German doctor I was seeing some time back - he was another who had a low tolerance threshold and looked like a 'mad scientist'
Returning to that acupuncture study, Edzard comments thus - I mean damn you could take this to relate to PACE and CBT/GET - but only if you were feeling naughty and biased of course :
Sorry. All this humour is overriding the seriousness of daft studies like this one. 'Self-serving' I think is what springs to mind. The notion that even an RCT (hyped RCT) can be 'tailored' to produced flattering results - I mean that's... well that's... scandalous!!
Back to some maths:
Sorry about the poor attempt at sarcastic humour. Hope you don't lose the message. I couldn't resist after reading all that I have this morning.
Will need to go through all this RCT paper and headline pronouncements myself again I think, but the argument - if it has been correctly applied which I think it has in this case (like I'm someone who can claim otherwise!) - is compelling.
Give a patient more, and they will feel they have been treated better. Paid more attention. Taken seriously, etc. etc. etc. unless they die of course.
Until such time as you can prove what effect your therapy/treatment actually has on (in this case) the 'fatigue' associated with cancer how can you ever claim that it works?
And for that to happen, you'd need to better understand what 'fatigue' actually is caused by, and not operate blindly. The 'fatigue' needs to be quantified and any improvements need to be.... well you know where this is going. It isn't enough to do what has been done here.
You also need to be able to explain that your therapy/treatment is actually capable of doing something i.e. that it is demonstrably effective and not merely a placebo.
Oh for sure, it will get cancer patients through the doors of an acupuncturist I have no doubt. And who am I (or we) to pooh-pooh anyone who feels they have benefitted from an alternative intervention? But then, I'm not and neither is Edzard.
This is about a seeming RCT claiming that the intervention has proven clinical significance. When it hasn't. At least not "beyond reasonable doubt" - to quote a familiar phrase.
Fire
I came across this earlier this morning from Edzard Ernst. In his blog titled: "No negatives please we are alternative!" I have taken the following extract (date: 21 November 2012):
...You might say that the above-mentioned acupuncture trial does still provide important information. Its authors certainly think so and firmly conclude that “acupuncture is an effective intervention for managing the symptom of cancer-related fatigue and improving patients’ quality of life”.
Authors of similarly designed trials will most likely arrive at similar conclusions. But, if they are true, they must be important!
Are they true? Such studies appear to be rigorous – e.g. they are randomised – and thus can fool a lot of people, but they do not allow conclusions about cause and effect; in other words, they fail to show that the therapy in question has led to the observed result.
Acupuncture might be utterly ineffective as a treatment of cancer-related fatigue, and the observed outcome might be due to the extra care, to a placebo-response or to other non-specific effects. And this is much more than a theoretical concern: rolling out acupuncture across all oncology centres at high cost to us all might be entirely the wrong solution.
Providing good care and warm sympathy could be much more effective as well as less expensive. Adopting acupuncture on a grand scale would also stop us looking for a treatment that is truly effective beyond a placebo – and that surely would not be in the best interest of the patient.
I have seen far too many of those bogus studies to have much patience left. They do not represent an honest test of anything, simply because we know their result even before the trial has started. They are not science but thinly disguised promotion. They are not just a waste of money, they are dangerous – because they produce misleading results – and they are thus also unethical.
Hmmm... well I wonder if he'd say the same about the PACE Trial and CBT and GET methods, application, and results? Of course not!
"Adopting CBT or GET on a grand scale would also stop us looking for a treatment that is truly effective beyond a placebo – and that surely would not be in the best interest of the patient."
Aren't I naughty? Ha! Don't take that seriously folks! Blimey. It could be re-posted all across t'internet if I'm not careful with no context or disclaimer
I digress, it's an interesting blog article I think and he's an interesting chap - reminds me of a German doctor I was seeing some time back - he was another who had a low tolerance threshold and looked like a 'mad scientist'
Returning to that acupuncture study, Edzard comments thus - I mean damn you could take this to relate to PACE and CBT/GET - but only if you were feeling naughty and biased of course :
Since several years, researchers in this field have adopted a study-design which is virtually sure to generate nothing but positive results.
It is being employed widely by enthusiasts of placebo-therapies, and it is easy to understand why: it allows them to conduct seemingly rigorous trials which can impress decision-makers and invariably suggests even the most useless treatment to work wonders.
One of the latest examples of this type of approach is a trial where acupuncture was tested as a treatment of cancer-related fatigue.
Most cancer patients suffer from this symptom which can seriously reduce their quality of life.
Unfortunately there is little conventional oncologists can do about it, and therefore alternative practitioners have a field-day claiming that their interventions are effective. It goes without saying that desperate cancer victims fall for this.
In this new study, cancer patients who were suffering from fatigue were randomised to receive usual care or usual care plus regular acupuncture.
The researchers then monitored the patients’ experience of fatigue and found that the acupuncture group did better than the control group.
The effect was statistically significant, and an editorial in the journal where it was published called this evidence “compelling”.
Due to a cleverly over-stated press-release, news spread fast, and the study was celebrated worldwide as a major breakthrough in cancer-care.
Finally, most commentators felt, research has identified an effective therapy for this debilitating symptom which affects so many of the most desperate patients.
Few people seemed to realise that this trial tells us next to nothing about what effects acupuncture really has on cancer-related fatigue.
Sorry. All this humour is overriding the seriousness of daft studies like this one. 'Self-serving' I think is what springs to mind. The notion that even an RCT (hyped RCT) can be 'tailored' to produced flattering results - I mean that's... well that's... scandalous!!
Back to some maths:
In order to understand my concern, we need to look at the trial-design a little closer.
Imagine you have an amount of money A and your friend owns the same sum plus another amount B.
Who has more money? Simple, it is, of course your friend: A+B will always be more than A [unless B is a negative amount].
For the same reason, such “pragmatic” trials will always generate positive results [unless the treatment in question does actual harm].
Treatment as usual plus acupuncture is more than treatment as usual, and the former is therefore more than likely to produce a better result.
This will be true, even if acupuncture is no more than a placebo – after all, a placebo is more than nothing, and the placebo effect will impact on the outcome, particularly if we are dealing with a highly subjective symptom such as fatigue.
I can be fairly confident that this is more than a theory because, some time ago, we analysed all acupuncture studies with such an “A+B versus B” design.
Our hypothesis was that none of these trials would generate a negative result. I probably do not need to tell you that our hypothesis was confirmed by the findings of our analysis. Theory and fact are in perfect harmony.
Sorry about the poor attempt at sarcastic humour. Hope you don't lose the message. I couldn't resist after reading all that I have this morning.
Will need to go through all this RCT paper and headline pronouncements myself again I think, but the argument - if it has been correctly applied which I think it has in this case (like I'm someone who can claim otherwise!) - is compelling.
Give a patient more, and they will feel they have been treated better. Paid more attention. Taken seriously, etc. etc. etc. unless they die of course.
Until such time as you can prove what effect your therapy/treatment actually has on (in this case) the 'fatigue' associated with cancer how can you ever claim that it works?
And for that to happen, you'd need to better understand what 'fatigue' actually is caused by, and not operate blindly. The 'fatigue' needs to be quantified and any improvements need to be.... well you know where this is going. It isn't enough to do what has been done here.
You also need to be able to explain that your therapy/treatment is actually capable of doing something i.e. that it is demonstrably effective and not merely a placebo.
Oh for sure, it will get cancer patients through the doors of an acupuncturist I have no doubt. And who am I (or we) to pooh-pooh anyone who feels they have benefitted from an alternative intervention? But then, I'm not and neither is Edzard.
This is about a seeming RCT claiming that the intervention has proven clinical significance. When it hasn't. At least not "beyond reasonable doubt" - to quote a familiar phrase.
Fire