Kombulcha- anyone have bad reaction?

[suzanne]

Hi.
I know I have gut issues that probiotics does not seem to help that much. Someone suggested i try kombulcha capsules.

today I took 2 (555mg per capsule). I felt incredibly unwel within 30 mintues- sweating, shocking headpain and nausea. i wondered what was happening and then remembered the kombulcha.

Any views/ experience with this? What would explain my reaction/ I am just not sure if this is a supplement to stick with and go slowly, as it is dooing me good, or whether this is a reaction to warn e not to take it at all?

Suzanne

 

[xchocoholic]

http://www.iherb.com/Kombucha-2000-Instant-Energy-30-Tablets/18070?at=1

Is this what you took ? This one doesn't have probiotics and it has caffeine ...

I was interested because I used Kombucha tea for a few years and even made my own but never noticed anything good or bad. I'm off of it now because it has caffeine. FWIW .. IMHO ... Synergy makes a good Kombucha tea though ...

IMHO, you're better off looking for food intolerances if you have digestive issues. An elimination diet (no gluten, dairy, soy, corn or chemicals) would be a good place to start. Testing can help but doesn't always find all of our intolerances.

tc ... x

 

[maddietod]

I don't understand how kombucha could be sold in pill form. By definition it's a drink, made of tea and sugar fermented by yeast and bacteria.

It can be made decaf, but the sugar is essential........and bad for me.

 

[undcvr]

Hey I just want to point out that Kombucha is NOT a probiotic that occurs naturally in the gut. It is a bacteria that grows at room temperature and it cannot colonise and implant in our gut wall, it is not one of those strains that naturally live in our gut. Same goes for Kefir. Same for the strains that go into making Greek yogurt, L. Bulgaricus and S. Thermophilus.

You really need B or Bifidum/Bifodobacteria strains, those are naturally present within us. Not even L. Acidophilus renamed Gasseri is useful in this case. You need B. Longum/Infantis/Lactis strains.

A good brand is Jarrow EPS or Kyolic's Kyodophilus 9. Not even Source Naturals is effective in that sense. You need to correct your gut flora in your lower/large intestines more than your short or upper gut.

These strains will make a difference.

 

[suzanne]

Hi all,
I have been taking a range of the best quality probiotics for years- and these were chosen for based on CDSA stool tests- so there was some science. The probiotics targetted what i was missing, including mutaflor as I had very little good e coli. I have to sy that all my gut work has been unrewarding in terms of feeling any better.

I know that I have candida probems which i struggle to trea due to the detox reactions I get to supplements- and even when I have been on antifungal programmes for extended months, I seem to make little progress- I do all the right things re diet, sauna drink plenty of water. I think that the heavy candida load is related to heavy metals, which I will need to try and deal with when my methylation cycle is up and running- too soon at the moment as I am struggling with being only 6-7 weeks on the fredd protocol.

Interesting with the kombulcha- i tried to cut my dose in half yesterday - 1 capsule not 2. It had the same effect just not as severe- headaches, nausea. Today I woke up with bad headache still and nausea so I am not going to take it today. I wonder what is really happening here? I did some more research on kombulcha and found that it can detoxify the body including heavy metals- perhaps that explains my severe reactions. for anyone that may be interested, this is what i found:

Clinical tests revealed that after drinking Kombucha, the urine of patients who had never taken Kombucha before contained significant traces of such environmental toxins as lead, mercury, benzol, cesium, etc., demonstrating its extraordinary detoxifying powers.


Body's Building Blocks
In addition, glucuronic acid is the building block of such important polysaccharides as hyaluronic acid, the substance from which connective tissue develops; chondroitin sulfuric acid, the substance from which cartilage evolves; mucoitin sulfuric acid, the substance of stomach lining and the clear, gelatinous matter of the eyes; and heparin, which prevents the blood from coagulating.

Kombucha also contains usnic acid which has strong antibacterial effects and can also partially inactivate some viruses.


Other Uses Of Kombucha
There are many ways in which Kombucha can be beneficial to human health. Extensive scientific research has been done on it, particularly in Russia, Germany and the former USSR. The unusual blend of life-restoring acids it contains, its rich mix of vitamins and minerals, plus its beneficial bacteria and yeasts have extraordinary antibiotic, detoxifying, and curative properties.

Kombucha works on the human system as a whole, restoring cell membranes to optimal functioning without side effects.

Its beneficial effects include:

rehabilitates, regulates, and regenerates flora and cell walls of the intestine and colon
normalizes intestinal pH and serum pH
relieves constipation and sluggish bowels
stimulates digestion and metabolism
restores acid/alkaline balance of the blood
strengthens the immune system
moderates blood sugar levels
lowers viral load
chelates excess heavy metals
clears up adult acne
softens hardened arteries and lowers blood pressure and cholesterol levels
alleviates osteoarthrosis, arthritis, rheumatism, and gout
suppresses dysentery bacteria and stops infectious diarrhea
treats tonsillitis, gastroenteritis, inflammation of the small and large intestines
effective for fatigue, lassitude, nervous tension and complaints of aging
relieves headaches and stomach pains
enhances ability to sleep
healthy people experience an increase in energy
relieves impotence and enhances sexual endurance
restores natural color to graying hair, restores thinning hair and helps stave off baldness
reduces crows feet and facial wrinkles
alleviates symptoms of multiple sclerosis
relieves irregular or painful menstruation
reduces or eliminates hot flashes during menopause
relieves asthma, bronchitis and allergies
helps to heal cataracts and other non beneficial formations of the cornea
increases blood circulation
corrects psoriasis and other skin disorders and eliminates brown spots
prevents cancer
extends life span

 

[undcvr]

Suzanne, Mutaflor is based on a yeast strain if i remember correctly. It is used to treat very specific forms of diarrhea, it is not recommended for CFS, it is a very different kind of gut dysbiosis.

There is NO such thing as 'good E Coli.' in the gut !!! What on earth are you talking about ???

 

[Undisclosed]

Suzanne, Mutaflor is based on a yeast strain if i remember correctly. It is used to treat very specific forms of diarrhea, it is not recommended for CFS, it is a very different kind of gut dysbiosis.

There is NO such thing as 'good E Coli.' in the gut !!! What on earth are you talking about ???

Isn't E. coli responsible for Vitamin K production. There is pathogenic vs commensal e.coli.

 

[suzanne]

udncvr says:
There is NO such thing as 'good E Coli.' in the gut !!! What on earth are you talking about ???

There is absolutely such a thing as good E.coli- read on...

My laymans comments on the "good E.coli" werre based on my 'Bioscreen Faecal Microbiol Analysis' (a test ordered by my dr that specialises in CFS). Bioscreen testing is run out of the Bio Molecular Science and Biotechnology Institute, from a leading University in Australia, namely University of Melbourne.

The report indicates the following key findings:
High level of candida glabrata.
Undectectable levels of Escherichia coli, E.coli
Overgrowth Streproccus sp.

To adddress these things, I will summarise what the report states:

E.coli

The reason for the low E.coli percentage/ total count in the sample is unclear. A marked change in this faecal ecology may result from recent exposue to paracetamol.... or supplementation with fructo-oligosaccharide (FOS) may also suppress growth of this organism.

Oral application of E.coli probiotics (Mutaflor) may be beneficial. oral application of the E.coli probiotic has shown to stimulate and enhance immune reponses and induces nonspecific natural immunity.

E.coli is an important intestinal micro organism responsible for the synthesis of essential amino acids and vitamins ( trytophan, phenylalanine, tyrosine, folic acid, vitamin K2 and coneenzymes- CoQ10)

Consider supplementing with oral sugars (eg galactose) to increase densities of current intestinal colifors (eg E.coli)

....I will not summarise what the report says, to address Streptococcus...it does state that this Streptococcus will alter intetinal epithelial barrier function increasing passive intestinal permiability...and positively correlate with cognitive dysfunctions and sleep patterns...may affect the production of primary bile acids.

All the above have, and continue to be issues for me- despite treatment, to date.

I hope this information may help some. As Rich indicates the gut is an important aspect of this illness to try and address in parallel to the methylation supplements.

 

[rydra_wong]

I LOVE Kombucha. It lowers my blood pressure quite a bit and tastes great, feels great. BUT, like apple cider vinegar, it may be nasty in pill form. Kombucha contains a lot of acetic acid like apple cider vinegar, which also lowers b.p., and it could burn your innards in a concentrated pill. It could be too much acid in one spot or too much acid period and your body would rob calcium from your bones to neutralize it. (which makes me feel irritable and even nauseous) They say on the bottle that the normal person can only handle half a bottle at once -- it changes your ph. W/o DHEA (which takes care of my b.p.) I could drink 2 bottles of the stuff (and needed to in order to lower my b.p. from stage 3 to normal). Try it in liquid form and drink slow enough to determine by taste how much is enough vs. too much. I tried taking apple cider vinegar by pill and hurt my stomach - never again.