I guess it's helpful to understand what we each mean by the word 'conspiracy' before discussing conspiracies! I disagree with your assertion that the misappropriation of funds had nothing to do with ME. It is precisely because ME was not taken seriously, within the CDC, that they were able to divert funds from ME research. You say that it was just 'crooks' who stole money. But that's over-simplistic. There was an internal conspiracy at the CDC, by employees, to misappropriate funds, which means, by definition that there was a 'conspiracy'. I admire your own approach to science, if it is how you describe it, but none of my comments were directed at you. I was referring to the general ignorance about ME in the medical and scientific communities. I'm amazed that you asked me for an example barb. I really am. There are a million examples. We don't get taken seriously by the medical profession; The definitions are weak and the CDC & UK psychiatrists have persistently watered them down; Treatments are ineffective and inappropriate; Many doctors & the media think it's all in the mind; The authorities don't seem to realise that ME has unique and distinct symptoms (symptoms which are different from those in chronic fatigue); etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. I can indeed give you concrete examples of the corruption of the science that is allowed to happen because of the influence of the psychiatric lobby. For one, just look at the reporting of the PACE Trial: "30 to 40% recovery" was reported, as opposed to the actual results in which no "recovery" was reported at all, and CBT did not improve average physical disability at all. Secondly, look at the over-reliance on inappropriate and ineffective psychological therapies (CBT and GET) for treatment of ME in the UK. I could go on forever! I was describing a very complex world of indifference, apathy, ignorance, corruption, influence and disenfranchisement. I don't deny that there are also very many good honest doctors and researchers out there, but like I said earlier, there is a lot of apathy and ignorance in relation to ME, and the disproportionate power and influence of a few individuals leads to corruption and a corrupted field of medicine, causing disenfranchisement for the many. You would find it very hard to find many ME patients who say they have been well catered for in the health services. Personally, I've experienced nothing but absolute neglect. In my opinion, this is a symptom of everything that i've described.