Judderwocky, You don't have to support them and I'm surely not going to push you to like them. Dismissing anyone who stands up for the CAA as an apologist is a rhetorical trick. What we have are two schools of thought. One feels that the CAA does more harm than good while the other disagrees and feels that attacks on the CAA are harming all of us. The folks that are attacking the CAA tend to defend the WPI. In my opinion, beyond the original Science article (which was no small thing), the actions of some at the WPI have been harmful. The WPI has "bet the farm" on XMRV and if it doesn't work out, I feel that the way the WPI has acted will be viewed as having done real harm to the CFS community. I don't feel the need to attack the WPI. Nor will I refuse to give credit where credit is due. And yeah, I really wouldn't want to defend having compared Reeves and the CDC to Vernon and the Biobank. Reeves = destructive Earth Bound Pets - http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/ = benign Boibank = in my book, clearly makes up for a number of missteps Now I need to go make sure my dog will always have someone to look after her!