1. Patients launch a $1.27 million crowdfunding campaign for ME/CFS gut microbiome study.
    Check out the website, Facebook and Twitter. Join in donate and spread the word!
New Exercise Study Brings Both Illumination and Questions
Simon McGrath looks at new objective evidence of abnormal response to exercise in ME/CFS patients, and the questions that researchers are still trying to answer ...
Discuss the article on the Forums.

'...You can make a difference in their lives and create a profitable niche for your practice...'

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Firestormm, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. Firestormm

    Firestormm Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,819
    Likes:
    5,939
    Cornwall England
    Ok so this article came up on my alert this morning, and promptly got me boiling. I mean I know that at the end of the day and in private practice, 'we' are $$ signs waiting to happen; but ppllease....!!

    The realities of our disease and clinical practice! Pah! Capitalism at work...
  2. Firestormm

    Firestormm Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,819
    Likes:
    5,939
    Cornwall England
    Apologies to Kina as putting the link in the above will be sure to attract spammers!!! :)
    xchocoholic likes this.
  3. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

    Messages:
    7,548
    Likes:
    5,569
    UK
    Good grief, how utterly disgusting.
    xchocoholic and Valentijn like this.
  4. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,560
    Likes:
    1,192
    Florida
    No surprise here. I believe profit is why the umbrella term cfs or me is being used too. Pots the
    syndrome is an umbrella term too. These terms make it easy for the medical profession to throw
    drugs our way. We try them, fail and come back for more. $$$

    One part of this that I found so disturbing is saying other doctors don't want us a patients. It
    completely explains the attitude I got from my ex traditional Doctors. My integrative doctor has
    never treated me this way but it took me years to accept that she's not looking down on me. I still feel that
    way sometimes tho.

    How can people in the health CARE profession be so uncaring ?
    Battery Muncher likes this.
  5. maryb

    maryb iherb code TAK122

    Messages:
    2,738
    Likes:
    1,757
    UK
    Why not take it out?
  6. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,560
    Likes:
    1,192
    Florida
    "Fm patients can be demanding and challenging ... " Omg, this author really doesn't appreciate how frustrated patients are about the lack of care he pointed out. Ugh !

    I have to stop reading this ... Tc .. X
  7. Kina

    Kina Moderation Team Lead

    Messages:
    5,119
    Likes:
    3,438
    Ontario, Canada
    No worries -- it won't make a difference. Just as the sun will rise every day, spammers will spam whether there are links or not. Most of them get caught automatically with our software -- 2,229 in the last month.

    Yet they don't mind setting up a niche practice to make lots of money off our chronic conditions. Does that make them feel more comfortable?.

    Demanding and challenging? How so, I wonder. Asking for pain relief, interventions related to sleep issues etc? I wonder how this differs from a Cancer patient asking for symptom relief.

    I certainly don't appreciate any healthcare provider who is spending time with me in order to make money.

    It's unethical. I also don't appreciate wasting my time or energy with any healthcare professional who is talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing especially when I see dollar signs in their eyes.
  8. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,805
    Likes:
    10,324
    Logan, Queensland, Australia
    Hmmm, another citation for my book?
    biophile and Valentijn like this.
  9. A.B.

    A.B. Senior Member

    Messages:
    461
    Likes:
    1,193
    Most doctors believe in psychogenic illness. In absence of significant lab abnormalities, they view CFS and the like as some form of self-inflicted mental illness resulting from character flaws similar to alcoholism, severe obesity due to overeating, etc.

    Alternatively, doctors may simply grow to dislike a patient that reminds them of their limitations.

    Few doctors will admit that they don't know what to do.
  10. Creekee

    Creekee Senior Member

    Messages:
    143
    Likes:
    111
    Arizona
    It would seem to me that any potential patients (of any sort) in the vicinity of Dr. Marc H. Sencer, should be made aware of this delightful, dollar-sign-dripping, devotion to health care.

    This appears to be headquarters for his most recent business endeavor:

    http://www.mdsfordcs.com/

    Which offers:
    • Complete MD DC and DC PT practice startup, medical staffing, chiropractic coaching, and on-going support.
    • Affordable chiropractic consulting and MD DC integration. Month to month. No long-term contracts.
    • We grow your MD DC practice with our comprehensive marketing program and systematic approach.

    Apparently, no direct patient contact happenin' at this time. Dang. Guess that's good for patients though.

    His bio on that site:

    Marc H. Sencer. M.D.
    was the Medical Director and founding partner of several highly successful multi-discipline practices. He currently owns and manages a multi-speciality Pain Management Group practice with offices in Boca Raton and Pompano Beach, Florida.

    Dr. Sencer has participated in the research and treatment of Fibromyalgia at the University of Miami, and he has been appointed a Visiting Clinical Fellow, Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.

    In 1998, Dr. Sencer founded "MDs for DCs", the only medical staffing company that finds and trains MDs in every speciality to work in Chiropractic offices nationwide.

    Dr. Sencer also works as a personal consultant, taking only a small number of practices each year for his highly individualized practice management program.


    Fwiw, I couldn't get his name to come up when I searched inside the "Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons" website, although I didn't put any time into it.


    The mdsfordcs.com site lists other helpful articles he's authored, like:
    "Dealing with the unhappy patient"
    "Marketing your practice for mega success"
    "Helpful hints to maximize collections"


    @Firestorrmm, thanks for starting my day with a BP, HR, body temp boost!
    Sasha likes this.
  11. Ema

    Ema Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,142
    Likes:
    3,238
    Midwest USA
    Quick, somebody buy Mr Sencer a new keyboard. His $$$$$$ key must be just about worn out!

    Ema
  12. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

    Messages:
    7,548
    Likes:
    5,569
    UK

    There is that to be said for it! Perhaps a bit offset by the nausea, though! :cool:
    xchocoholic likes this.
  13. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,560
    Likes:
    1,192
    Florida
    Hi AB

    Nowadays, here in the us imho, there's no excuse for any doctor thinking cfs is psychogenic. There's free access
    to health info on the web.

    Many of us have positive labs but since cfs is an umbrella term these aren't consistent. You can't put all apples in the
    same category if you want to understand their biochemistry. But "cfs" includes apples and oranges.

    imho, the problem is that our govt health care system hasn't taken the time to collect
    the data on these labs so they know what cfs really is or isn't. Hell, they're still working on the freakin name.

    Fwiw, I've yet to meet a doctor who didn't come accross as intelligent enough to know that symptoms are a reflection of our immune system. Sadly, drug companies only want to treat symptoms so traditional doctors aren't trained in
    how to look for the root cause of symptoms. Integrative or functional doctors are tho.

    So here we are. Many pwcs have treated some or all of their symptoms via diet, supplements or meds and know
    more about how to treat cfs or other health issues than most doctors. The numbers of doctors coming on
    board is growing tho. Dr mark hyman, dr wahls, etc etc demonstrate this.

    There's an article on this site that shows what pwcs need to be tested for. Beyond and Jarod posted it.

    Tc .. X

    Ps. I'm sure you can all understand that I have to stop reading this thread. My adrenals can't take it.
  14. HowToEscape?

    HowToEscape? Senior Member

    Messages:
    197
    Likes:
    72
    Chiropractic practices, Boca Raton.

    Full stop.
  15. HowToEscape?

    HowToEscape? Senior Member

    Messages:
    197
    Likes:
    72
    This attitude is one reason I never use a medical chain store. Cancer Centers, Fibro and Fatigue Centers, etc. Even if, as in those two cases, they employ actual MDs and are not total scams, it is a business model first and a medical practice as necessary. Note this appeared in the "Chiropractic News".

    A chiro is not an MD; they're often people who failed to get into med school (not that hard when you include options beyond better-known schools), someone who doesn't want to bother with all the work and time involved in doing the real thing or who did a cost/benefit calculation and figure they can have vastly less debt, fewer low-income school and residency years but pull in quite an income with the chiro practice plus whatever else they want to run out of their office. Some of them are pretty good at P/T, some are still futzing with the vertebrae on your back and possibly your neck. Before I knew better I went to a chiro: it did help my back pain, but I won't go back until/unless I'm convinced that tweaking around with your spine beyond indirect, soft tissue fixes like massage is a good idea.

    I don't think most docs are like this cretin. My doc is still working well after retirement age; given that most of the patients seem to be on Medicare and there's 3 staff to pay, he's probably just covering expenses and making far less than a normal doc's income. I believe that he's keeping the practice open bc he knows if he retires we'll have nowhere comparable to go. Just about no one who is capable wants to be an ME/CF MD.
    Firestormm likes this.
  16. Battery Muncher

    Battery Muncher Senior Member

    Messages:
    182
    Likes:
    136
    Utterly repugnant.
  17. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,560
    Likes:
    1,192
    Florida
    You know what confuses me about all of this, is how easy it is to actually try to help patients heal as opposed to using them as cash cows. Sure, doctors would have to learn some new terminology but they wouldn't be doctors if learning new terminology was difficult for them. Even with my CFS brain and no science background, I've picked up a great deal of terminology in the last 8 years. What I can remember is a whole different story ... :whistle:

    And there is as much money to be made, maybe more, from helping patients heal as there is from keeping them sick. I've seen my integrative doctor more in the last few years than I ever saw my regular doctor. She's always fascinating (overwhelming actually) me with her latest knowledge too. I have a lot of health problems tho including kidney stones and seizures so I may not be the "normal" patient for one of these doctors. Regardless, having someone I can trust to navigate the wealth of health info now means I can relax.

    So why not set up their practices so they can enjoy having happy trusting patients :) rather than those who only see you because they're being kept sick and mistreated by other health professionals. :eek:

    It's a no brainer to me ... tc ... x

See more popular forum discussions.

Share This Page