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You aren't going to believe this...Mycoplasma/Lo/XMRV

Discussion in 'XMRV Research and Replication Studies' started by Sunshine, Aug 19, 2010.

  1. Joanne60

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    'The thing which stands out in my mind is, when I STOPPED doxycycline, oh my god I have never been so ill in my life.'

    You should read up on Lyme Disease Doxy is the recommended treatmentand when we stop treatment before infection is cleared then symptoms do deteriorate significantly.

    See UK charity www.lymediseaseaction.org.uk
    or read some of the information on my blog.
    http://lookingatlyme.blogspot.com/
  2. Joanne60

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    When chronically ill we are rarely infected with just one thing. Mycoplasma has long since been associated with ME/CFS by many specialists in this field not the Reeves/Wessley cabol.

    Mycoplasma has also been associated with patients with Lyme disease I posted in another thread about research showing 30% ME/CFS patients have been found to have Lyme Disease but rarely tested for it.

    Sapi has found mycoplasma in ticks see below.


    Dr. Sapi quickly tripped on some ground-breaking research: she discovered that deer ticks could be infected with mycoplasma, a rogue life form. The tick passes the mycoplasma onto the human, resulting in all kinds of chaos. Once Dr. Sapi began looking, she found other pathogens living in deer ticks.

    http://www.newhaven.edu/unhtoday/archive/UNH_09172007/pages/faculty_profile.html

    The full article
    Faculty Profile
    Q: Which University professor has Lyme Disease, and is researching it too?
    A: Dr. Eva Sapi, a professor of cellular and molecular biology.
    A Break Through for Lyme Disease Sufferers
    As carefree picnickers and backpackers innocently pursued their leisure this summer, deer ticks hauling bigger weapons than Lyme Disease awaited them.
    New research has faulted deer ticks for a host of other ailments that do not respond to penicillin. The research has taken shape after a controversy regarding Lyme Disease has raged for more than a decade. Enter Dr. Eva Sapi, a professor of cellular and molecular biology at the University. Before Dr. Sapi's brain swelled after she was bitten by a deer tick, she was researching cancer cures. But once she showed all the symptoms of Lyme Disease, including trouble walking, she went in for testing and came out baffled. Her Lyme Disease test was negative.
    “Researchers don't even know what Lyme Disease is,” she says. “I realized that somebody had to go back and test the ticks.” Who better than Dr. Sapi? A noted researcher and former Yale post doctoral/operative fellow in therapeutic radiology, Dr. Sapi quickly tripped on some ground-breaking research: she discovered that deer ticks could be infected with mycoplasma, a rogue life form. The tick passes the mycoplasma onto the human, resulting in all kinds of chaos. Once Dr. Sapi began looking, she found other pathogens living in deer ticks.
    Such chaos occurring in patients who test negative for Lyme Disease, including a herd of doubting physicians she had consulted for her own illness, moved Dr. Sapi to help. “I have been to so many doctors who laughed at me,” she said. A mix of determination and humor keeps her Dodds Hall lab humming with graduate student researchers. Split into teams charged with various missions, Raghavender Kukunoor, Pushpa Durgesh Rao, Sumyuktha Komarigiri, Sonali Solanki, all of India, and Kristin Bovat of Watertown, worked with Dr. Sapi this summer. Assistant Professor Saion Sinha of the Physics Department joined them in an attempt to use nanotechnology to create a new, more accurate detection test. As it stands now, the best test for Lyme Disease still offers a seventy percent false negative rate.
    “If you know a person has mycoplasma, you can treat it,” Dr. Sapi says. She cited a small New Jersey study of seven patients with Lyme symptoms who tested negative for Lyme Disease. But when the physician handling the cases tested for mycoplasma, all seven patients tested positive. Once treated, they all showed signs of improvement.
    Dr. Sapi presented research on mycoplasma at the national Lyme Disease conference at the University of New Haven in May, and has submitted a paper on the topic to the Journal of Medical Entomology. She has also been seeing a naturopathic doctor in the Hartford area, whose treatment seems to be working. Not one to overlook any part of the puzzle, “I need my brain,” she says.

    For more information and links about Lyme and CFS see my blog
    http://lookingatlyme.blogspot.com/
  3. pictureofhealth

    pictureofhealth XMRV - L'Agent du Jour

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    What is the date of this article please, joanne60?
    And has Dr Sapi passed the results of her findings to any regulatory authorities, NIH etc do we know?
    Given her job description she might have a little bit of clout, who knows?
  4. dipic

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    Yes because "New World Order" and population control are so sooo sensible. :rolleyes:
  5. mojoey

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    In his original study, Dr. Lo used PCR testing on these myco's, no antibody tests. "His patents explain the pathogen's ability to reside within human tissue cells and evade the detection of the immune system." - http://www.shasta.com/cybermom/putting.htm. So why was it that when he collaborated with these well-known CFS researchers, they used only antibody testing when he presumed patients wouldn't elicit an antibody response?

  6. Sunshine

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    Maybe biological warfare experimentation that went wrong? Found this on the internet......

    *XMRV comes from mice and both the UK and USA embraced 'CFS' with a passion to hide ME.
    *The secret UK files on ME are owned by the MRC (Medical Research Council) who refuse biomedical funding into ME, but do spent a fortune on psychiatry and CFS.
    *ME is not a psychiatric disease, yet is dismissed and ridiculed in public by a famous epidemiologist psychiatrist employed by the UK military and with direct links to the MRC.
    * 4,000+ articles on biomedical research on ME/CFS exist. No excuse to think ME/CFS is a psychiatric illness whatsoever.

    We'll never know why this was done to us and the bigger picture doesn't matter as we aren't privy to the classified information and never will be. It is interesting though. If we had treatment we'd not care, we'd just take our meds and have a life, like people with HIV can do. They don't have to postulate if an SV40 polio vaccine caused their state of AIDS, but probably would if left to rot at home and blamed for the condition as we are.

    A key failing in the political cover up of ME/CFS was that the people paid to deny it, had far too much of a field day in the deception campaign. By default, they never appeared genuine by using awful words to describe people with obvious serious non psychiatric symptoms. No professional scientist or doctor would call their patients (mentally ill or not) those derogatory words. So this raised suspicion in the public eye that something was up. (Only psychiatrists and pro psychiatric theorists were funded). Of note, in medicine, just ME/CFS patients meet this level of hatred from medics, a level so discriminatory that if used in any other condition would have lead to the researcher or doctor's dismissal from the professional bodies they belonged to. Yet to ME/CFS patients detriment, these people were soon termed 'experts' in ME/CFS and given titles and even medals/awards by the state for their 'service' towards CFS. Even worse, the medical profession always refused to attend conferences to hear of latest research, such was the level of negativity towards fellow scientists studying these maligned and ignored patients. Even now the Royal college of Physicians in the UK invite not biomedical researchers, but psychiatrsits to talk in conferences on ME/CFS. All the talk in the press of 'better' attitudes of ME/CFS in the medical profession is a total falsehood. Who is science advisor to the UK media again? Ohh yes...... Medics now believe not in ME/CFS as a neuro immune disease, but a 'genuine' mental health problem that needs CBT to change 'attitudes' and 'beliefs' about viruses keeping people ill. Everything is hopeless.

    But...

    The language used to describe ME/CFS patients in the psychiatric profession is not far removed from the Nazi's opinion of the jews, gypsies and the disabled. Yes the psych profession don't call for ME/CFS patients to be killed, but they do kill the severe patients via medical neglect, which is quiet genocide. They do say that ME/CFS patients should not receive social welfare payments and are the 'undeserving sick' of society. They do place themselves as government advisors for social welfare in the UK, to guarantee that ME/CFS patiens will often be denied money to care for themselves, money they are entitled to and that non ME/CFS patients get. The public are not aware of this, they trust doctors and don't consider they could do sick and twisted things like throwing children into swimming pools to see if they are lying. (That's what Nazi's did to people they hated, for fun, before doing more uspeakable things).

    It's sadistic to put people onto exercise bikes as a 'therapy' who's muscles are in terrible pain and who's central nervous system is abnormal and immune system is highly activated.
    It's sadistic to tell people they must self brainwash themselves via CBT, in order to ignore a relapse and a flare of symptoms that come from this exercise.
    It's sadistic to tell people once they have relapsed (usually within a few hours to days), this is fake and deny pain medications or access to a doctor if suffering from cardiac pain etc.
    It's sadistic to refuse diagnostic tests that can save patients lives, such as brain scans, checks for cancers, and investigative cardiac tests.

    This sadism, became 'evidence based treatment' at the institute of psychiatry for ME/CFS in the UK, who then sold (literally) these beliefs and 'treatment packages' to governments around the world, much to well known psych's delight. We became slaves to a twisted ideology. CFS was such a bad word, patients wouldn't even tell their best friend they had it, and rarely would tell doctors how ill they felt, from fear of being labelled an attention seeker.

    None of this manufactured social and medical stigma ever made the news in the UK, because the psych's controlled the press as 'science advisors' and still do. Instead the UK media was full of recovery stories, talking about a disease with no cure. Again the public sucked it down and believed it all. Once the ME/CFS charities were infected too, the game was up. All was left for ME/CFS patients to do, was take their own lives. Suicide is the biggest killer in ME/CFS. Isn't this important? Not towards a society that is brain washed to view us with distain and sometimes, disgust. (social welfare cheating fakes they call us).

    Next time the powers that be need to cover up a condition as disabling as end stage AIDS and COPD, it would be sensible not to have a few psychiatrists who own sole access to the media, funding, and to steer guidelines. That was their undoing, and a huge 'howler' in terms of people thinking, hang on a second; what exactly is going on here?!

    A conspiracy has to be effective not lazy. They got lazy and ran out of ideas to blame people for causing ME/CFS:

    1) Rich wealthy people - tried that didn't work.
    2) Women - tried that didn't work
    3) Depressed people - tried that didn't work
    4) Exercise phobic people -tried that didn't work
    5) People who were ill with a common virus, who are now obsessed they are still ill - tried that didn't work
    6) People who are lazy as kids and never exercise causing them to have CFS as adults - tried that didn't work.
    7) People who have been sexually abused as children - tried that didn't work *

    *Is this not the lowest of the low and deeply offensive to people who have been sexually abused?


    There was literally no excuses left to blame people with ME/CFS, so they had to dilute what CFS more and more until 'Reeves Disease' was born and even 'fatigue and one symptom' proposed to become the new hybrid CFS. Ironically, the CFS 'experts' disapered their own imaginary illness meaning the cover story evaporated and the people with original CFS were saying we dont' even have your CFS so we must have something else. What's that ME (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis thing again?).... hmm that sounds more appropriate. So people dumped CFS and went with ME or 'Neuro Immune Disease'. Sensibly advocacy groups latched onto this and also the WPI who knew that using the words ME or CFS in their title was pointless. Neuro Immune disease was accurate, honest and correct, it also (by defaullt) included people with original (non Reeves disease) CFS and ME.

    Patients were happy, and the people sent to discredit you and I were left thinking and realising they just lost the grip onto the bubble of CFS patients were trapped in. Somone poked it with a pin and it burst, leaving the reality of XMRV to be found by scientists now researching 'Neuro Immune Disease' and not CFS, an umbrella term that contained too many types of patient to ever know that scientists were researching the same people. Which is why the CDC chose it. It lasted for nearly 25 years, but the game is up now. The idea the WPI is leading world research on XMRV should be laughable, but the jokes on the employees of the CFS section of the CDC for not absconding from the 'plan' and putting their hands up and admitting they were wrong about people contained within the label 'CFS'. Possibly, some were threatend, or felt scared and didn't want to have an 'accident' or get stiched up by the UK GMC (General Medical Council) like other serious ME/CFS reseachers did?

    How sad that humans can treat other humans in a sub-human manner, purely by greed and selfishness caused by being offered total power and becoming dictators in the world of psych theory CFS. When they're old and bed riddden themselves, maybe the people who committed these crimes will consider just what they have done, that they cost the lives of tens of thousands of people (if not more). What a horrible legacy to be involved in.
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    edited and cut....
  8. mojoey

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    That is what the shasta.com author implied. I'm trying to not speculate and to get the facts straight. Weaponized pathogens and talk of vaccine causation are two of the most polarizing topics in disease and, like it or not, makes us look bad if the dialogue isn't versed in hard fact.
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    Hi I am sorry I can't answer your questions off hand, Eva Sapi is well known in the lyme world for her amazing research I am sure the NIH would ignore it as they don't want to believe there is such a thing as chronic lyme what is going on in Lyme is a parrellel with what is going on with ME/CFS.

    I have posted about Eva Sapi on my blog but not about Mycoplasma in particular.

    http://lookingatlyme.blogspot.com/

    putting her name in the search box will bring up some posts
    but here is the link scroll down and there is a video of her.

    http://lookingatlyme.blogspot.com/search?q=Eva Sapi

    All fascinating stuff.

    It is so frustrating waiting to read the Alter Lo paper.
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    TO FELLOW SUFFERERS..........LISTEN, TO WHAT IS BEING SAID HERE !!!!
    THE MAIN TOPIC THAT IS BEING TAKED ABOUT HERE IS .......**** " TRUE...TRUE...TRUE..." **** SORRY..BUT,TRUE.

    " WE - MUST " .....SEE THE " REAL TRUTH " BEHIND 'ALL' OF THE SO-CALLED ...DIS-INFORMATION-MAIN-STREAM INFO--
    " IT IS PURE LIES "-- THAT ARE BEING PUT OUT THERE REG. THESE ILLNESSES...XMRV CONTERVERSY...ETC..

    TO HIDE THE TRUTH THAT OUR GOVERMENT HAS BEEN ' SLOWLY KILLING US, FOR A LONG TIME

    THANK GOD,! ONE OF U SAW DR LO'S NAME.......YES.....HE'S THE SAME CREEP !!

    I AM TO SICK TO WRITE MUCH ON THE COMPUTER.....BUT...I HAD TO RESPOND TO THIS ONE. !

    ...... I " SAY-NO !..... " TO ALL THE DECEIT, DEATHS-IN OUR COMMUNITY & GREAT SCIENTIST, WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIFES, BECAUSE THEY
    ' KNEW-TO-MUCH ,' OUR '-CHILDREN, GETTING SICK, FOR THE GREAT ' DARKNESS ' BEHIND " WHAT IS REALLY, MAKING ' US ' SICK ! "
    BUT I HAVE BEEN RESERCHING ' EVERYTHING ' I COULD GET MY HANDS ON REG: THESE HORRIBLE ILLNESSES FOR YRS NOW,
    + I AM ONE SICK 'KIDO'....NOW, W/ A + TO XMRV.

    YOU WANT THE TRUTH ???? HERE IT IS.............REG: POSTING...... & YES ..YES ..YES, IT IS TRUE. ...SADELY :(
    DO YOUR RESERCH !!!

    " BUT, W/ THAT SAID,.........THERE IS NEVER A MOMENT........." THAT I NOT... KNOW, !...THAT THE 'TRUTH', WILL......PREVAIL & SET 'US' FREE " !!.......LOOK @ WPI !
    BLESSING'S TO ALL.........
    *** PLEASE READ -- " ' Project-Lily ' -Garth-Nicolson-Nancy Nicolson
    http://www.amazon.com/Project-Lily-...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1282264896&sr=1-1

    GO TO WWW.IMMED.COM -- DR GARTH NICHOLSON'S SITE.

    " THE TRUTH....WILL PREVAIL "........
    BUT........WE MUST KNOW ' WHO ' THE REAL ENEMY IS........TO FIGHT THE BATTLE & WIN
  11. dipic

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    I hate to say this... and I'm sure have your reasons - but writing in all caps doesn't help your cause. Especially this particular cause and especially this patient community. I'm not going to say the "H" word but looking at your post, others may see it as such.

    And, really, if you want people to believe that "OUR GOVERMENT HAS BEEN ' SLOWLY KILLING US, FOR A LONG TIME" (intentionally), then please post facts and not a bunch of rhetoric and clichd lines like "The truth will set us free", etc.

    lol what? Citation for this? This one is new to me, even among ME/CFS conspiracy theories.

    I don't mean to be rude; I'm sure you mean well, however, I agree with Joey that we are best to "[try to not to] speculate and to get the facts straight" as it "makes us look bad if the dialogue isn't versed in hard fact."
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    i think what the above poster is referring to ("scientists who have lost their lives") is found in the Project Day Lily book, written by Dr. Nicolson, a well-respected doctor focusing on Gulf War Syndrome. I have not read it, but on their website it says that it is a fictionalized account of things that have really happened to Dr. Nicolson and his wife in their efforts to get the word out about mycoplasma and GW Illness and the role of the gov't.

    for now, though, i agree with a top cfs researcher i discussed this with over the wkend: we should celebrate the NIH/FDA paper and focus on that, not the past. and focus on moving forward.
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    Certainly many people have died from ME/CFS from cancer, heart failures and infections, and suicide from hopelessness of being blamed for the illness CFS. Outside the USA, CFS rarely exists. Govt's refuse to even name it, never mind allow people to have life saving cancer scans or checks for viruses, as sufferers are seen as neurotic. This includes the UK.

    Life expectancy would be reduced by having an immune supressing infectious retrovirus in our bodies causing disabling disease, what we know as ME/CFS. To be told we are mentally ill, and have all research blocked on funding, would therefore constitute govt's intentionally killing us on purpose. More accurately, it's the psychiatric profession, because it is them who sang the lie of 'people like you' behave in a certain way. A ludicrous xenophobic construct.

    The psychiatric profession openly stated, people like us (ME/CFS) behave and react in a certain way, which is utter garbage as we are all individuals. This message was filtered down into mainstream medicine and the doctor's offices. We were and still are refused medical check ups and medications and thus lose hope and self terminate, or just die from the effects of XRMV/MLV's never being treated for 30+ years. (NB: Some extreme cases die of ME/CFS within 10 years).

    Thousands of research papers existed on ME/CFS showing serious brain and immune abnormalities were present and NOTHING WAS DONE until the WPI came along in 2009 with a paper on XMRV. This shows intent to kill people. There was no possible scientific explanation how this could have been allowed to happen. But it happened and it still does happen to this very day, just read the CDC website on CFS. Just read the CFS expert Dr William Reeves's latest rant on 'people like us'. We are apparently obstructive and in denial we are mentally ill. This has endagered lives and taken lives. Again, there is no excuse the research is out there showing clear immune abnormalities and brain and cardiac dysfunction.

    Indeed the psych's were (are) just about to transform CFS into a pure mental disorder in DSM-V, therefore meaning more and more people would die from XMRV/MLV's when they could have been helped with medical research and treatments that are off limits, due to be told we are 'mentally ill' with CFS and need CBT/GE/Pacing/Counselling/Family Therapy etc. All ineffective in treating a pro inflammatory, pro oxidative mitochondrial imparing immuno supressing retrovirus.

    WPI came along just in the nick of time, but for many it's too late. They are dead and cannot be re-animated. The core argument is, if they had been on ARV's and had cardiac monitoring (RIP Casey Fero) then many of them would still be alive today. Selfish psych's killed these fallen young people with CFS who often reached 40,50, 60 before passing away.

    Very importantly the psych's were put in place, by the government. All biomedical research was not allowed to be submitted as evidence in UK gov't working party reports on ME/CFS. It was sanctioned from on top to put psych's there. There were no clinics or hospitals set up for ME/CFS, despite ME existing officially since 1969. There were 8 hospital beds alloted in the whole of the UK (250,000 patients) for ME patients in a general neuro ward that told people that 70% of them would be cured with CBT and exercise, even if bed ridden and paralysed.

    Remember, CFS and ME never were classified as mental illnesses, indeed ME is a classified as neurological disease. The government allowed and encouraged psych's to hi-jack CFS and ME and play around with us, like a cat does with a mouse. There was a reason for this, and it was planned. Why ignore 5,000 research papers, and now even XMRV?

    Logically, morally and medically indefensible behaviour.

    Naturally patients look back and think WTH have they done to me and my friends, or friends now dead from ME/CFS.

    Where is the official excuse? The room is silent.
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    Well it's not really hard to put two and two together. If you look at Gulf War Syndrome and ME, it's the same thing and GWS started during the war and really decked people from what I understand. Then they went home and infected others.. I have inherited ME from my grandfather who fought in the war so hey.. I'm convinced this sickness is created by the american military YES. Sen too much evidence for it to be any other way.
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    Tia, I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. The Gulf War was 1990-1991. The history of ME goes back many decades before that. I'm assuming you meant your grandfather was in WWII? Are you implying that the American military has somehow been systematically using weaponized ME, which they invented, on their own soldiers for at least the past 60 -70 years?
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    NO NO NO. PLease let's not go there. For the Love of God. Please.
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    I completely agree, if you want to make the mainstream think we are craizer then they already think we start saying crazy things like this. There is no way any capable scientist would want to study a disease of which it's patients are saying that it was created by the military. Pure crazy talk.

    Also the top scientist can not even figure out how to test for it today so how in the world would they have manufactured such a thing over 30 years ago, makes no sense no matter how you look at it.
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    is this your effort at sarcasm, or are you being facetious? the trouble with using sarcasm around strangers is, nobody knows you well enough to tell the difference between sarcasm and humor.

    for your benefit, I'll replace "sensible" with "logical" , referring to the idea's progression; you did read the last line about the dark, the worst, did you not ? my feeling is obvious, so why would you want to be a sh*t disturber about it ?
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    Hello all. This is my first post on this forum. I wanted to reply to this thread because I have been following the trail of Dr. Lo and his work for the United States Army. The actual trail of the mycoplasma starts with "Project Paperclip", wherein we brought Nazi scientists over to America to pick their brains in 1945. One thing they had was a mycoplasma they were attempting to use as a biological weapon. I have read the following books: Biohazard, by Ken Alibek; Clouds of Secrecy, The Army's Germ Warfare Tests over Populated Areas, by Leonard A. Cole; Lab 257, The Disturbing Story of The Government's Secret Germ Laboratory by Michael Christopher Carroll; Project Day Lily by the Nicholsons; Dr. Mary's Monkey by Edward T. Haslan; and The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy by Jim Marrs.

    After thinking that maybe mycoplasma might be at the root of my Fibromyalgia, CFS and rheumatoid arthritis, I decided to try something called Samento. It is a derivative of the herb Cat's Claw, and it is considered an immune system modulator. It helps the immune system kill the mycoplasma.

    I highly recommend Samento, with a few caveats: If your disease is caused by a germ, you WILL have a herxheimer reaction (a temporary worsening of symptoms which can range from mildly uncomfortable all the way to unbearable). This is also true if you are on a Doxycycline regimen. You will notice a HUGE increase in your energy level from the first dose. It may be hard for you to sleep while you're taking it.

    I made the mistake of taking one capsule of Samento the first day I got it. I was simply following the directions on the bottle, but oh boy.....I had energy for about 6 hours, unbelieveable energy. Then I started to feel panicky. I then had one long panic attack for the next 20 hours. I couldn't sleep. My brain went absolutely crazy. Talk about herxing! It was dreadful, actually. I didn't sleep for at least 36 hours.

    After that debaucle, I cut way back on the dose, from one capsule down to 1/8 capsule. After messing with the capsules for a month, I went online and bought the liquid. I currently can only take 3 drops of samento per day, otherwise I cannot sleep and I start to panic. Valerian root helps with this. The goal is to get to 15 drops per day, but since I plan on staying on this for a long time, I have a long time to build up.

    My experience with this herb has been mostly positive, albeit some days were rough in the beginning. I now can wake up first thing in the morning and go like a demon the entire day until late into the evening. I don't even need my morning coffee anymore. I have had CFS for 11 years, and spent at least 4 of those years almost bedridden on opiates. The difference that I feel is amazing. A few strange neurological symptoms that I previously had (not remembering the names of things, slow speech, a little bit of slurring, memory problems) have disappeared. The deformation of my finger joints has stopped. Hallelujah!

    I should point out that I also do the Clean Eating regimen (but I do cheat), I exercise at least 5 times a week (mostly walking 3 - 4 miles, depending on how hot it is), and I take Wellness formula herbal defense, lots of vitamin C and D3, wholemega fish oil, B complex, zyflamed (great product!), holy basil and turmeric extract. Most days (6 out of 7 now) I can forget that I'm sick.

    I think I'm onto something, but since I have no insurance I have not seen a doctor about this. However, after 11 years of struggling and going to many doctors, with ZERO improvement after many thousands of dollars spent, I don't feel like I'm putting myself at any great risk by not seeing a doctor now.

    I just wanted to share my experience with Samento, and that I do agree that these weaponized mycoplasmas are courtesy of the US government, as painful as it is to admit that. The information trail that I have been following leads to no other conclusion.
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    I guess we have been quite lucky in the UK as Samento has been used here by some doctors for years and discussed on the UK lists. I have XMRV and Samento didn't work for me sadly.

    Wishing you all the best. Glad it worked for you.

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