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XMRV Patent application Judy A. Mikovits Francis W. Ruscetti San

Discussion in 'XMRV Research and Replication Studies' started by pollycbr125, Jul 4, 2010.

  1. pollycbr125

    pollycbr125 Senior Member

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    bullybeef Senior Member

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    :eek: My head hurts :headache::confused:
     
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    judderwocky Senior Member

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    LOL... i'm guessing the cdc tried to just spring for the cliff notes ;p
     
  4. Sam Carter

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    Brilliant find, Polly!

    From the same site:

    Gammaretrovirus associated with cancer

    Robert H. Silverman Eric A. Klein Graham Casey Joseph DeRisi Don Ganem

    Publication date: 07/01/2010

    http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20100166797
     
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    pollycbr125 Senior Member

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    Thanks Sam my one remaining functioning braincell had ,had it after reading the first one lol :Sign Good one:
     
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    Yes!!!

    Go Judy A. Mikovits, Francis W. Ruscetti, Sandra K. Ruscetti, Robert H. Silverman, Eric A. Klein, Graham Casey, Joseph DeRisi, Don Ganem :D

    While those other amateurs publish their zero study you get your patents and hopefully get rich. You deserve it :D

    I hope it will be this way. Very interesting find. And on the same day as the Retrovirology study. Unbelievable. Not even on TV i've ever seen such a crazy story..
     
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    Dr Mikovits, Mr & Mrs Ruscetti & Dr Silverman to the rescue!!!!!
    :victory::victory::victory::victory:
     
  10. Marco

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    I'm not familiar with the protocol and layout of patent applications. Curious language!

    Presumably the trick is to try to spread the net for applicability of the patent as widely as possible, however the following excerpts caught my eye :


    "[0065]12. A method in accordance with Aspect 11, wherein the XMRV-related neuroimmune disease is selected from the group consisting of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), Niemann-Pick Type C Disease, fibromyalgia, Multiple Sclerosis (MS), Parkinson's Disease, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS) and autism."


    "In additional embodiments, methods of the present teachings can further comprise selecting or modifying a treatment on the basis of the detection of antibody against XMRV in a sample from a subject. In various aspects, if antibody against XMRV is detected in the sample, the treatment can comprise administrating to the subject a therapeutically effective amount of an anti-viral compound. In some configurations, the antiviral compound can be, without limitation, a compound such as acyclovir, penciclovir (famciclovir), gancyclovir (ganciclovir), deoxyguanosine, foscarnet, idoxuridine, trifluorothymidine, vidarabine, sorivudine, zidovudine, didanosine, zalcitabine, lamivudine, stavudine, abacavir, multinucleoside resistance A, multinucleoside resistance B, nevirapine, delavirdine, efavirenz, adefovir dipivoxil, indinavir, ritonavir, saquinavir, nelfinavir, amprenavir, deoxycytosine triphosphate, lamivudine triphosphate, emticitabine triphosphate, adefovir diphosphate, penciclovir triphosphate, lobucavir triphosphate, amantadine, rimantadine, zanamivir or oseltamivir."
     
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    Yes! Live well and prosper. (I'm going to watch some tennis now and see if I can get rid of this headache.)
     
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    No wonder it took them so long to come out with this!
     
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    Yes, one would assume that. But then on the other hand the law will of course not let you do that without any limit. I don't think i'm fully able to understand this text, as it's about 28 degrees in this room and it's in english and this is a very specific area of law. But the lawyers from "Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP" (i hope they didn't write this on sabbath :D) should know what they are doing.
    If i understand this correctly then their patent would comprise the treatment of someone who has been found XMRV positive through the detection of antibodies to XMRV. It's hard to believe this can be patented :eek:?

    Well, whatever, all i care for is that they really have a working method of detecting an XMRV infection. And trying to have it patented seems to indicate that. And if they have such a method they should by now know if the association between XMRV and CFS is true. That they still stick to that association is a good sign then.

    This could explain why no new papers have been coming out. They don't want to give away too much before having their methods patented, so that they will be tho ones who profit.
    And they really deserve it, if they are right about all of this.

    I can't resist: Don't worry little ERV, aunt Judy will buy you some chewing gum and candy from the mad money she will be making. Hahahaha :D
     
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    I've always said, the likes of Mikovits, the Ruscettis, and Silverman etc are going to an awful lot of trouble for a something that is nonsense.
     
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    As said above, patent applications are an entirely different literary art form from scientific papers. Also, an application rarely goes through without modification. Even if it is granted, the patent office is not guaranteeing it will work. There are large collections of issued patents which are good for laughs, and little else.

    This does tell us a great deal about intent. Patent attorneys would not have inserted references to specific illnesses where this might apply if their scientific sources had not suggested these.

    Note for eric_s: their sabbath did not begin until sundown, which is after business hours.
     
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    These both appear to be tests to detect XMRV (per post 1 & post 8) but what is the difference between them?



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    From a different site:

    METHOD FOR DETECTION OF XMRV

    SILVERMAN, ROBERT, H, ; KLEIN, ERIC, A, ; WEIGHT, CHRISTOPHER, J, ; NGUYEN, CARVELL, T, ; GUPTA, JAYDIP, DAS

    Publication date: 2010-07-01

    http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationD...75414A2&KC=A2#
     
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    Didn't you mean "aren't going"?
     
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    The "Mikovits team"'s method of detecting an XMRV infection seems to be to look for antibodies to XMRV while the "Silverman team"'s method uses PCR to look for XMRV's DNA.

    Edit: In the application by Silverman they talk about detecting an XMRV infection by looking for antibodes too, i think.
     
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    My VERY quick once over says:

    Silverman - used to detect XMRV in tissue (eg. prostate tissue), blood or serum

    Mikonits - blood, serum, plasma, spinal fluid
     
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    :eek::D
     

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