Some members on Phoenix Rising have already tested positive for XMRV. Others are waiting for tests results. Others still (like myself) are awaiting testing. I wonder (like you do)and for the sake of argument, assume Judy Mikovits hypothesis is correct: XMRV causes disease. And the disease is what we presently call CFS/ME. And many? most people? with CFS/ME are XMRV positive. OK, continuing to set aside speculation for the sake of argument, when exactly did I get XMRV? XMRV copies at a pretty pedestrian rate, doesnt it? Which leads me to think how long after contracting XMRV might the effects of the virus finally become apparent? Is it months or years? I wonder this, in part because I used to think that sudden and gradual onset ME/CFS were different entities, but now I think they are most likely one and the same? Simply different manifestations of the same illness: a retrovirus infecting a wide variety of cells which would exhibit all manner of symptoms at different times or stages of the illness, with no two patients alike (which sounds awfully familiar). So I think, if I didnt get XMRV 14 years ago (when I was treated with antibiotics for a supposed hard to shift chest infection) when did I get it? Was it when I got eczema at 21. Or was it when I got stomach and bowel problems soon after that? How long would it take for the virus, XMRV to multiply in sufficient numbers for it to cause noticeable disease symptoms? 12 years? Scientists and Non- Scientistsdiscuss?