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XMRV in Spain News Item/Report From Spain

Discussion in 'XMRV Research and Replication Studies' started by Cort, Nov 2, 2010.

  1. Cort

    Cort Phoenix Rising Founder

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    This is Cristina Montane's report from the XMRV workshop with Dr. Montoya and several Spanish Doctors. Thanks Cristina!

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    This is all very encouraging. Great news, and great to see it happening abroad.
  3. Min

    Min Senior Member

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    Spain finds XMRV in 70% of M.E. sufferers

    http://www.abc.es/agencias/noticia.asp?noticia=574407

    translation:

    A virus may be related to chronic fatigue syndrome
    (Catalonia) ENVIRONMENT-HEALTH HEALTH |> AREA: Public health
    11.02.2010 / 14:30 h

    Barcelona, November 2 (EFE) .- The XMRV virus may be related to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) to detect that 70% of patients may be infected, according to a study by researchers at the Hospital Vall d'Hebron in Barcelona presented today at a conference on this disease.

    At the conference noted that the importance of the virus and the response that occurs when infected cell appears to be the key between the mechanisms that contribute to the onset of chronic fatigue syndrome.

    CFS is an immunological disease that is diagnosed when they suffer more than six months of fatigue that invalidates the morning, exercise intolerance, restless sleep and cognitive dysfunction that affects the ability to concentrate in people who previously had an intellectual performance more remarkable.

    It is estimated that 1% of the adult population between 25 and 50 years suffer from this syndrome, although the percentage is 2% if it's female population, especially between 35 and 40, and women with higher education, as explained by Dr. Jos Alegre, scientific coordinator of the day.

    The Valley of Hebron is a referral center for this disease state and study some 1,500 people, of which 50 are children and 200 adolescents and young people between 16 and 23. EFE
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  5. free at last

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    Hi Min is this new ? are we being told of numbers of patients tested here, is it 1500 ? and where did the 70% get mentioned. also any idea what methods they used. hoping some one is going to tell this is exciting, after all hopefully it was tested in house, not VIDdx thats what we need.
  6. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    My intellectual performance was once more remarkable but I'm not sure if my mornings have been invalidated!
  7. free at last

    free at last Senior Member

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    lol i think they have sasha, they can invalidate my mornngs anytime, i feel like crap every morning
  8. Jemal

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    The numbers are definitely new, unfortunately there's not much information yet. Did they use VIPdx to get the blood tested?
  9. caledonia

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    Wouldn't this be the confirmation study we've been waiting for?

    In other words, the FDA/NIH study didn't quite confirm because they found cousin MLV's, not specifically XMRV.

    But the Spanish have found XMRV, and in similar numbers to the WPI. And they studied a lot more people.
  10. Cort

    Cort Phoenix Rising Founder

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    Its certainly good news. I think the impact the study makes depends on whether they used materials from the WPI or not. If they didn't then I would think the research community will embrace it more.

    I don't think anything will be definitive, though, until the scientific community decides what is causing the disparate results. Until then we'll have a bunch of negative and positive studies and no consensus. I think what we're really waiting for is the BWG or some other authority to say - Aha - this is the where the problem was, and this is how you find the virus - leading to EVERY study being positive after that.

    It certainly is good news, though, to get another positive study to match up against the negative ones. As time goes on we are getting more positive studies (while still getting negative ones) which is promising because the researchers are supposedly learning better how to find the bug. That provides hope that as time goes on we will get more positive studies.
  11. Cort

    Cort Phoenix Rising Founder

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    Cristina said the mood at the Workshop was upbeat and Dr. Montoya said he thought Ian Lipkin would get to the bottom of everything. (He is also collaborating with him on another study).
  12. Esther12

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    There's not been much XMRV gossip recently.

    I was hoping that some hints of the BWG's findings would slip out before they reported. There's been nothing that I've been able to detect.

    Whenever there's a lack of positive news I seem to drift towards being more doubtful it will work out.
  13. Cort

    Cort Phoenix Rising Founder

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    I am the same way! Dr. LeGrice told me he thought 3 weeks before they figured one way or the other; contamination or sample preparation; that was Oct 12th he said that - which is about now :D...I guess they could decide that it was neither one - and there is something about the way they're looking for it.
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    It seems they're pretty good at controlling the information that gets out. In the weeks before the Alter/Lo study was published we had a similar situation, there was a lot of silence.

    Good to hear Dr. Montoya is collaborating with Dr. Lipkin.
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    I remember reading that, and it's been on my mind recently too. It's so strange thinking that we'll finally know one way or the other.
  16. Cort

    Cort Phoenix Rising Founder

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    I agree - its weird, although, things have gotten so crazy I'll believe they have a definitive answer only when they say they have one. I could imagine this going on and on.
  17. LJS

    LJS Insert Witty Comment Here

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    So has the 70% data been published in a journal or was this data just presented at the conference? It means nothing to the scientific community until it is published.
  18. urbantravels

    urbantravels disjecta membra

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    My mornings are invalidated too. That's why I try not to get out of bed before noon. :In bed:
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    The data of this spanish estudy were presented in abstract 5 and 7 in Bethesta, I remember
    The study was only with 11-12 patients of one specialist and some controls.
    I think is too much with this little quantity of pacients say that this % is real.
    But XMRV is in Spain...
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    But what about those 1500 patients then? Was that only referring to the patients those doctors have been seeing in total?
    And they found XMRV in controls too, but they only had 4. So they were a bit lucky, if you assume the prevalence is about 7%.

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