LOL, I didn't even know there was a conflict over the posts about Post Vaccine ME/CFS. But I'm not surprised to miss that since I only receive a fraction of the email notifications on my subscribed threads anyhow. I rarely return to threads without those notifications because there are just too many to follow that way. So, if anyone truly needs to get a message to me, send it private or I may never see it. In general, I don't understand the phobia over discussion on Post Vaccine ME/CFS. Several top ME/CFS researchers acknowledge this fact of Post Vaccine ME/CFS, especially with the HepB Vaccine. My ME/CFS was "triggered" by Hep B Vaccine...that's just as much a fact as the "infectious onset" claimed by so many. "Avoid unproven inferences"? LOL, I think it would get pretty quiet around here. There are many cases of Post Hep B Vaccine ME/CFS out there and, I agree with froufox that just like everyone else, we are just looking at onset attempting to find etiology (not quoting). Everyone knows there are many "triggers" for ME/CFS and, I learn a lot from these discussions whether it's theory, hypothesis, or proven fact. Also, I think talk of xmrv is much more a yell of FIRE (than vaccines) in a theater because of being similar to HIV and it's possible modes of transmission. A "provable fire"? What is there about ME/CFS that IS provable? Can anyone "Prove" their trigger for ME/CFS? Everyone knows there are many "triggers" for ME/CFS...so what's the big problem with discussing ours? I understand the need for threads to stay on topic, and I will make every effort to do just that. But somehow, this seems more than that.