xmrv and autism

Mark, that was really well said.

Thanks for the info

Wow. I had no idea. Never had kids so I was ignorant. I don't envy your choices.

My GP wants me to get a tetanus booster, as she says it is common with people who like to garden....I don't dare, I am afraid. Ah well I am too sick to do much gardening these days so maybe I won't get it.

Only anecdotal points.

Many of the parents that I have 'chatted' with who believe they have vaccine damaged children, I'm meaning children on the Autism Spectrum are not anti-vaccine, they just want the vaccines to be safe. I'm not feeling up to searching, but if you have look at some of the ingredients vaccines contain, I struggle to think they are safe for anyone, let alone babies and children. Some contain methylmercury, which is a form of mercury that freely crosses the blood brain barrier, unlike some aluminium, also dangerous, but it's not just toxic metals, there's all sorts in there.

The number given to children has enormously increased. Why? And what's the accumulative effect? How much of that is about healthcare, and how much about developing a new income stream?

For me too the concept of group immunity is alluring, but not at any price.

And though I don't have children myself, I can see it is a huge dilema. If vaccines were cleaned up, there would be less to worry about.

Someone will know more about this than I, but it seems the focus on vaccines has been their contents (and I agree that those are a concern). But the researchers have been looking at the contents and any toxic qualities. This is the first I've heard that it could be the act of vaccination itself. Has anyone looked at that?

hey, Marylib & everyone,
I just wanted to add my 2 cents, if that's OK! I hope I'm not hijacking the thread! I have serious issues with vaccines. For starters, I went from having CFIDS to getting vaccinated (I was volunteering at a hospital & had to get DTAP; they told me Whooping Cough was making a "come back," flu; this was last year, & TB scratch) & then not being able to walk, lift my head, talk, etc. Mercury is still in vaccines they give to adults, & is in many flu & Hep B vaccines they give to newborns & kids. I was in denial that I could be effected.
Vaccines for kids seem to be bad no matter how you look at it. I have one child who got a lot of vaccines for my comfort level (all her HIB, & DTaP, which is a scary one), & a now 2 year old who has almost none. I am no doctor, of course, but I see a difference. My older daughter has serious sensory integration issues & other issues I attribute to her getting vaccinated. The only time I'm a little "relieved" to have vaccinated them for DTaP (my youngest got one dose) is when Whooping Cough does go around. My DO, Michael Payne, & myself agree that a lot of the viruses they vaccinate with (esp. DTaP) are "stealth" viruses, viruses stronger/more virulent than the typical virus. Luckily, I live in a place where many people do not ever vaccinate their children, & though it is a contentious subject, you have support for your decision. So for the record, I am anti-vaccine...greening the vaccines (with aluminum, for instance) will not protect my babies. Vaccines shed for 48 hours after being given, especially if a person is in water. I found this out after my 2 year old swam in a baby pool with her cousin, who's been given every vaccine available by age 2 (couldn't get them by the recommended 18 months, b/c he was sick too often!), & she had a fever of 107 due to "an enterovirus of unknown origin," & I know in my mama heart it was from her cousin having just gotten his IPV (inactive polio virus) vax. I agree, Mark, that vaccines have the potential to undermine our story in a big way. So do the findings about the relationship to prostate cancer. So I hope the research is very clearly articulated to be for CFIDS/ME & the focus/mission statement remains firmly intact. I just think that Autism & Cancer get press. Perhaps more attention will be placed on XMRV in general if there is an autism link, & if that's true, hopefully our neuro-immune disease will get more widespread attention as well? What do y'all think? Other mamas of small kids?

Hi Anne,

My understanding and what I have heard people theorise, and actually what some research has found is that because vaccinations stimulate humoral immunity which is the part that produces antibodies (which is what vaccines are meant to do)...cell mediated immunity can suffer as a result and this may lead to an increase in other infections, perhaps latent infections eg viruses that the body up to that point is keeping under control.. because of this change in the balance of bacteria in the body.. I think this is was what Judy Mikovits was talking about when she speculated about how perhaps a latent XMRV infection may be triggered by vaccines. I certainly feel that vaccines triggered my ME although I have no idea if I have XMRV.

This article explains a bit more about how vaccines work..

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/incao.html

It certainly makes sense to me and fits in with my experience as when I get acute symptoms of discharge eg mucous production, sneezing etc my chronic ME symptoms improve so I can definitely relate to the TH2 dominance idea.

Plus of course thimerosal etc that is contained in some of the vaccines will also deplete glutathione, shunt the immune system towards TH2 which will all have a knock on effect on immunity.

Certainly there is a evidence that vaccines can not only trigger other disease processes but also the disease that they were meant to offer protection from in the first place! & there are examples where epidemics of particular illnesses have occurred in populations that have been vaccinated for those illnesses so it is a myth that vaccines are always effective..

My view is that that anything that encourages awareness and debate about vaccines in whatever context can only be a good thing.

Vitamin Diagnostics contact info

That address and phone number is for another company, Accumed Diagnostic Laboratory. It is listed above Vitamin Diagnostics on one page and that's likely how it got copied here.

I found this address and phone number listed on several websites:

Vitamin Diagnostics Inc - (732) 583-7773 or (732) 583-7774
2 Industrial Dr, Keyport, NJ 07735

I've decided to get the methylation pathways panel done before I start the B12 protocol. I will call tomorrow to verify their contact information.

My homeopath is detoxing a lot of CFS people and many of them are doing really well....I am yet to prosper. I am going to do the Methylation thing too as I personally believe it makes more sense. If indeed it is partially blocked then there could therefore be a mercury problem with the body not able to detox properly. This then creates the environment for pathogens to breed.

Homeopath claims vaccines are cultured in mercury and that is why they have always used it as a carrier into the body. The virus cant stay in the body without it.

Saw a brilliant Doctor turned naturopath last week and he said he believed the Transfulation Pathway.....methylation...... is the problem ...genetic he claims and he can go around it.

No

I don't think anyone has mentioned the rise in autism.

The rate based on year of birth starts a rise in 1985. It peaks in children born in 1997 and starts a gradual decline.

Now, let's say that XMRV was first being spread in adults and some children in the mid 1980s. Can we see the possibility that as it saturated the adult population, whether they developed CFS or not, these adults started having children who have XMRV also? So that a few years after the rise in CFS, we would see a rise in autism caused by XMRV (if in fact it is.)

I think autism has to be caused by an infectious agent because the case numbers show it. Not only because of the rise. But also because it has fallen steadily among children born after 1998.

Tina

It is not a representative study, but an interesting read:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/09/my-wife-my-daughter-and-xmrv.html

"In the results section of the poster they found, PCR products of env and gag confirmed XMRV. The age range of the infected children was 2-18. 17 of the children (including the identical twins) were positive for XMRV (58%) and 20 of the 37 parents (54%) were positive for XMRV.
14 of the 17 autistic children were positive for XMRV (82%). Of the 17 families, only one had all members of the family test negative for XMRV. In contrast, 16 of the families with neuroimmune disease, 9 families had at least 1 parent and child test positive for XMRV. 4 of the families had a parent test negative with a positive child, and 2 families had a parent test positive with the diseased child testing negative.

Lovely to hear Dr Mikovits "speculate" from her expert background (so few). Please keep going !

the "known genetic factors" account for less than 5% (if that) and consist of well defined monogentic disorders, such as fragileX, SLOs etc. Everything else is pure speculative bullshit. There is a genetic factor to autism in as much as there is a genetic factor in someone developing lung cancer after 30 years of smoking 40 cigarettes a day.

Yes of course the condition existed before, firstly there were those rare monogentic disorders, SECONDLY as both HIV and XMRV are capable of causing autism, there would have been other viruses in the past that did the same thing to the brain, absolutely no reason why not!! prenatal rubela, flu, various herpes etc viruses cause brain damage and autism, so yes there would have been those in the past. BUT NOT IN TODAY'S NUMBERS.

Definitely not in the numbers that we see today, cos of the modern way of life and the way new viruses are spread and the way that latent viruses are reactivated - travel, living in proximity to others, vaccinations, toxic environments etc.

I bet other 18% are teeming with ALV and similar.

I am not sure that is the case, at least not where I live. If anything the rates are still climbing fast. But anther thing though that the younger kids seems to be less severely affected in total, there seem to be fewer really severe cases amongst newly diagnosed. (this is entirely anecdotal)