Why we are sick by Doctor Klinghart

[Undisclosed]

Though where I work is an entirely separate business, my boss is also the New Patient Coordinator for the Sophia Health Institute. All potential new patients interact with her first (by phone or email). She asks extensive questions to figure out whether what the clinic has to offer is a good fit for someone interested in coming. It's not as easy as deciding you want to see Dr. Klinghart and making an appointment. She's a super compassionate person and doesn't want anyone wasting their money on something that's unlikely to work for them.

Could it be she is getting rid of anybody who might question his outright use of quackery? Seems that they are going to accept those who won't believe their money is being wasted. Why should a doctor have to vet patients?This is what the Lightning Process people do, they won't accept those that are sceptical.

 

[Dainty]

Could it be she is getting rid of anybody who might question his outright use of quackery? Seems that they are going to accept those who won't believe their money is being wasted. Why should a doctor have to vet patients?This is what the Lightning Process people do, they won't accept those that are sceptical.

Why are you determined to believe the worst in them?

I know for a fact that patients have gone there firmly believing that it's not going to work and it won't help at all. They were certainly not prevented from coming.

 

[Wishful]

I just feel that I have to respond to Dainty's report that her boss had "witnessed countless healing transformations" by Dr. Klinghart. Faith healers also have plenty of patients who claim to have been healed, and might even be honestly convinced that they were healed, yet such claims don't hold up to scientific examination, with before and after examinations, etc. I've read (not sure if it's true) that in Africa, it's quite common for men to believe that their penis has vanished, and instead of their friends calming him down, they panic and believe that theirs has disappeared too. Belief often overrides commons sense.

When I followed Kina's link to a report on Klinghart's quackery, my thought was "Wow, what total BS!" Quackery is certainly big business though. Probably has been since humans developed speech. Maybe even before. (picture caveman pantomiming with rhino horn for penis enlargement)

People are free to believe that Dr. Klinghart is a true miracle worker, and fork over their cash. I just wanted to point out that "witnessed healings" should not be taken as reliable evidence of actual biological improvement.

 

[Wishful]

Dainty, you know for a fact what people actually believe? Telepathy? People may say they don't believe it will work, but their gullibility may override their normal good sense once they hear the scammer's spiel. Scamming is an art form, and even works on people who firmly believe that it won't work on them. Really good scammers might even be able to tell which people they'll be able to convince, regardless of what the people say they believe.

Given the level of quackery he uses, I'd require firm scientific evidence, including before and after tests to show that there was an actual biological change...of something that isn't already well known to be affected by psychosomatic responses.

 

[Dainty]

I just feel that I have to respond to Dainty's report that her boss had "witnessed countless healing transformations" by Dr. Klinghart. Faith healers also have plenty of patients who claim to have been healed, and might even be honestly convinced that they were healed, yet such claims don't hold up to scientific examination, with before and after examinations, etc. I've read (not sure if it's true) that in Africa, it's quite common for men to believe that their penis has vanished, and instead of their friends calming him down, they panic and believe that theirs has disappeared too. Belief often overrides commons sense.

When I followed Kina's link to a report on Klinghart's quackery, my thought was "Wow, what total BS!" Quackery is certainly big business though. Probably has been since humans developed speech. Maybe even before. (picture caveman pantomiming with rhino horn for penis enlargement)

People are free to believe that Dr. Klinghart is a true miracle worker, and fork over their cash. I just wanted to point out that "witnessed healings" should not be taken as reliable evidence of actual biological improvement.

You know, a lot of people think the main doctor who contributed to my significant recovery is a "total quack", too.

• Even though he got me from an almost completely bedridden state to now being able to work a part time job.
• Even though my fiance's ribs, which were significantly misshapen, have evened out and he's found significant relief
• Even though my mom's severe tennis elbow, which she suffered from for years seeing multiple physical therapists and trying a lot of stuff, recovered fully under his treatment
• Even though when my dad had a severe skiing accident my doctor was able to diagnose the injury more precisely than the specialists with their x-rays could, and his treatment resolved the pain immediately.

I have witnessed these things. I very closely know the people involved, I watched the process unfold.

It's very weird to me that personal testimony is being attacked as irrelevant here.

 

[Dainty]

Dainty, you know for a fact what people actually believe? Telepathy? People may say they don't believe it will work, but their gullibility may override their normal good sense once they hear the scammer's spiel. Scamming is an art form, and even works on people who firmly believe that it won't work on them. Really good scammers might even be able to tell which people they'll be able to convince, regardless of what the people say they believe.

Well when someone tells me outright what they believe, I tend to believe they're telling the truth. People have gone there not thinking there was anything anyone could do to help them, including the Sophia Health Institute. I spoke with them myself. They were not "convinced" about anything.

When someone becomes super sarcastic in interacting with me like you have, I understand that productive interaction can no longer happen. And that makes me sad because I'm here to interact constructively with people, and I hope you are too.

 

[Wishful]

I didn't think I was being super sarcastic. You made a claim--knowing for a fact that people were firmly believing something--which to me begs for an explanation. Knowing for a fact what people believe seems to require true telepathy, or super-high-tech brain scanning or whatever. Barring that, I don't see how anyone can really know what another person actually believes, and how firmly they do so. You might truly believe that you are able to make that distinction, but I'd definitely want scientific proof of that before I'd base an important decision on it, since humans are capable of firmly believing total nonsense despite solid evidence to the contrary. Without that proof, I certainly wouldn't take your claims as evidence of Dr. Klinghart's treatment success rate.

Personal testimony isn't reliable. People can misremember things, bias their memories, intentionally forget facts that contradict their beliefs, etc. Talking with other people can totally change what they believe they witnessed. Scammers are particularly good at that. Examples of incorrect witnessing abound. I seem to recall multiple examples of police questioning witnesses, and getting amazingly contradictory descriptions of an event.

You're free to try to convince people that Dr. Klinghart cured--at least partially--your ME/CFS. Some people may believe it and spend their money on it. I feel that such claims should be balanced by healthy skepticism.

 

[Dainty]

You're free to try to convince people that Dr. Klinghart cured--at least partially--your ME/CFS. Some people may believe it and spend their money on it. I feel that such claims should be balanced by healthy skepticism.

I have never seen Dr. Klinghart or set foot inside the Sophia Health Institute, nor have I claimed to.

I participated in this thread in order to help provide information people were seeking. Unfortunately this discussion now feels like a hostile environment.

 

[alex3619]

At first i thought the thread was called "Why we are sick by Doctor Klingon"

That is easy. You need more Gagh.

(Spicy worm dish in Star Trek)

 

[Alvin2]

That is easy. You need more Gagh.

(Spicy worm dish in Star Trek)

You need to know there are 51 varieties of Gagh, one for every type of illness

 

[TigerLilea]

I got my ME/CFS while living in Vancouver. Moving to rural Alberta (surrounded by forest) made no noticeable difference. I don't believe that pollutants or EM radiation had a major role in developing the disorder. The modern urban environment does cause more stress on the body, but I doubt that a statistical study would show a major difference in ME/CFS rates between urban and rural dwellers.

I would love to live in rural Alberta!

 

[alex3619]

I don't think there is a consistent link between ME and toxic pollutants. However many rural areas are even more toxic than cities due to pesticide and herbicide sprays, or pest control in swampy areas. Having said that its not clear all ME is the same type, and organophosphates, especially sheep dip, are a known trigger.

 

[SB_1108]

Yolanda Foster Hadid credits Klinghardt with her recovery.

I'm not a patient of Klinghardt's and I know very little about his treatments but I personally benefited from one of his treatment protocols for pyroluria. I didn't work with him but it was a beneficial protocol for me. I also know a person helped by his parasite protocol.

 

[Kati]

Yolanda Foster Hadid credits Klinghardt for her recovery.

I'm not a patient of Klinghardt's and I know very little about his treatments but I personally benefited from one of his treatment protocols for pyroluria. I didn't work with him but it was a beneficial protocol for me. I also know a person helped by his parasite protocol.

I do not think she recovered.

Further, pyroluria is not recognized in the mainstream medicine.
http://sciencebasedmedicine.org/pyroluria-and-orthomolecular-psychiatry/

 

[SB_1108]

I do not think she recovered.

Further, pyroluria is not recognized in the mainstream medicine.
http://sciencebasedmedicine.org/pyroluria-and-orthomolecular-psychiatry/

I don't care if it's recognized, the protocol helped me.

Yolanda posted on instagram earlier this year that she was 80% recovered. https://www.google.com/amp/www.dail...anda-Hadid-reveals-s-80-percent-recovery.html

Edit: actually here is a report saying 90% recovered: https://www.google.com/amp/www.eton...and_battle_with_lyme_disease_i_m_90_there?amp

 

[Kati]

Yolanda posted on instagram earlier this year that she was 80% recovered. https://www.google.com/amp/www.dail...anda-Hadid-reveals-s-80-percent-recovery.html

Edit: actually here is a report saying 90% recovered: https://www.google.com/amp/www.etonline.com/news/214345_yolanda_hadid_opens_up_about_her_health_and_battle_with_lyme_disease_i_m_90_there?amp

Let's see if she says the same thing in 6 months, and in a year time.

 

[SB_1108]

Let's see if she says the same thing in 6 months, and in a year time.

Well she was 80% recovered in February 2017 and it's almost September 2017 and she is somewhere around 90%. That's awesome, even if its a brief remission. I'd take it!

 

[Undisclosed]

I think there is some question whether Yolanda even had Lyme disease to start with. She missed some huge Lyme charity event because she said she was too sick to attend and later pictures surfaced on the internet of her riding a bike around Holland and looking very well on the day of the charity event.

 

[SB_1108]

I think there is some question whether Yolanda even had Lyme disease to start with. She missed some huge Lyme charity event because she said she was too sick to attend and later pictures surfaced on the internet of her riding a bike around Holland and looking very well on the day of the charity event.

She was originally diagnosed with ME/CFS but she went to KDM and he diagnosed her with Lyme. I'm not aware of the bike riding incident but I know how it is to feel like absolute death for hours/days and then have a sudden burst of normalcy where I appear well and I'm am much more active. I try to enjoy the good days/hours when they happen.

It would be interesting to hear more about Klinghardt's protocols just to see if others on here have had previous success with similar methods.

In addition to treating pyroluria and parasites, I've read that he is into mold avoidance/CIRS and heavy metal detox, which I know are both common alternative treatments in the ME community where some patients report success.

 

[Undisclosed]

She was originally diagnosed with ME/CFS but she went to KDM and he diagnosed her with Lyme. I'm not aware of the bike riding incident but I know how it is to feel like absolute death for hours/days and then have a sudden burst of normalcy where I appear well and I'm am much more active. I try to enjoy the good days/hours when they happen.

It was more than a 'bike riding incident' considering the charity event was in California and the bike riding incident was in Holland. That would mean an international flight is involved.

http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/...ss-to-ditch-major-lyme-disease-charity-event/

Just came across a picture of her hooked up to an IV with some kind of red solution. I am totally perplexed though why she still has the tourniquet on her upper arm. Maybe they do that in fancy clinics.