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Why are women with brain tumours being dismissed as attention-seekers?

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Sean, Jan 12, 2016.

  1. Sean

    Sean Senior Member

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    http://www.theguardian.com/society/...-medical-symptoms-depression-diagnosis-gender
     
  2. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem All Good Things Must Come to an End

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    I wonder how many unnecessary deaths this produces, besides all of the suffering.
     
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  3. Crux

    Crux Senior Member

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    Misogyny
     
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  4. panckage

    panckage Senior Member

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    Probably the way women communicate. If someone sticks solely to facts a logical interpretation is reached. OTOH if someone talks to a doctor about feelings (especially since most doctors are males) then a psychological cause is a more likely interpretation
     
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  5. Valentijn

    Valentijn WE ARE KINA

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    Men are rational and women are emotional? Bullshit :p
     
  6. chipmunk1

    chipmunk1 Senior Member

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    More than they will ever admit.

    There is not only a gender bias but also often prejudice against social status, educational background, age, mental illness etc. built into psychosomatic diagnosis.

     
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  7. panckage

    panckage Senior Member

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    That's not what I said
     
  8. Woolie

    Woolie Gone now, hope to see you all again soon somewhere

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    @Sean, this is an interesting article, thanks for posting. Here's a paper they mention in the article, "The Girl Who Cried Pain: A Bias Against Women in the Treatment of Pain" (freely available, so can post here fine). A little old now, but still an interesting read.

    @chipmunk makes good points that it not just women who are discriminated against, those of lower socioeconomic status are much more likely to be slapped with a psychogenic label (e.g., functional neurological disorder, psychogenic nonepileptic seizures). And much less likely to have the skills and resources to question it.

    Then, the higher incidence of these "disorders" in low SES groups is used as support for a psychogenic causation! Go figure!

    A similar circularity of thinking happens for gender, I believe.
     

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  9. Gingergrrl

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    It's not only in medical scenarios and in my early 20's my car had a gas leak and I took it to a mechanic. He told me that "I must have driven too far and not paid attention and ran out of gas" (which was absurd.) He would never have said that to a man.

    I was ready to leave when a little boy (probably about 5 yrs old) ran up to us and exclaimed, "Ma'am something is leaking out of the bottom of your car..." Only at that point did the mechanic check it out and it turned out the gas tank was corroded with a huge hole and had to be replaced. The mechanic listened to a five year old boy over me, a female, who was in my 20's at that time!

    I was completely calm and rational and if given a script, I am certain if a male and female went to a doctor (especially a neurologist or cardiologist) and each just read the script verbatim, the male would be taken more seriously than the female. It's sad but true.
     
  10. leela

    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    Telegram from the 1860s!
     
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  11. Cheshire

    Cheshire Senior Member

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    A friend of mine of Moroccan origin has a brother with Down's syndrome. When he started to feel unwell, his parents (very low social background, barely speaking French) were discharged numerous time from the ER with things like all in his head, exageration... untill he started to have high fever. I can't remember what he was suffering from but he had to undergo an operation, stayed 2 months at the hospital. That could have been avoided if he had been diagnosed earlier... So traumatising for him and his family and costly for society.

    My friend had the impression that for some doctors, it was more than the question of symptoms being taken seriously, a kind "is it worth doing all this for him?". A eugenistic laissez-faire. Some patients are more undeserving than others.
     
  12. Kina

    Kina

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    Just how do women communicate? I hope you don't mean that women don't communicate using logic and that they are too emotional.

    When a man goes to a doctor and says "I am getting lots of headaches, blurred vision" and a woman goes to a doctor and says "I am getting lots of headaches, blurred vision", why should a w0man be treated differently? Same symptoms, same description A bias does exist. If the woman starts crying and gets emotional about the symptoms, it's put down to emotional/psychological issues etc. If the man starts crying, it's wow you must really be in pain. It's a ridiculous and unfair bias that is causing needless suffering.
     
  13. L'engle

    L'engle moogle

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    Because men stick to facts and reach logical interpretations while women communicate... through a series of high pitched whining sounds that rarely form coherent words so much as emotive suggestions reminiscent of mermaid song? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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  14. Woolie

    Woolie Gone now, hope to see you all again soon somewhere

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    Don't know about you but I (being a woman) am so emotional I can't get my facts out for the doctor without bursting into tears and creating a huge puddle on the floor.

    If only I could be strong, brave and logical like a man!
     
  15. Cheshire

    Cheshire Senior Member

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    Interesting blog post:
    http://www.misstreated.org/blog/201...men-are-dying-women-are-lying-or-overreacting

    Thanks Sally via tweeter (can't remember your PR name)
     
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  16. Sean

    Sean Senior Member

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    :rofl::rofl::rofl:

    I can give you lessons for free. Being a man is easy.

    :D
     
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  17. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    Women are irrational, that's all there is to that!
    Their heads are full of cotton, hay, and rags!
    They're nothing but exasperating, irritating,
    vacillating, calculating, agitating,
    Maddening and infuriating hags!

    Why can't a woman be more like a man?
    Men are so honest, so thoroughly square;
    Eternally noble, historically fair;
    Who, when you win, will always give your back a pat.
    Why can't a woman be like that?

    Why does every one do what the others do?
    Can't a woman learn to use her head?
    Why do they do everything their mothers do?
    Why don't they grow up — well, like their fathers instead?

    Why is thinking something women never do?
    Why is logic never even tried?
    Straightening up their hair is all they ever do.
    Why don't they straighten up the mess that's inside?
    Why can't a woman behave like a man?
    If I was a woman who'd been to a ball,
    Been hailed as a princess by one and by all;
    Would I start weeping like a bathtub overflowing?
    And carry on as if my home were in a tree?
    Would I run off and never tell me where I'm going?
    Why can't a woman be like me?

    [Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady]
     
  18. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    'Nuff said.

    Women Are The Devil’s Gateway
     
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  19. Valentijn

    Valentijn WE ARE KINA

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  20. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    Vile temptress :devil:
     

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