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Whooping cough outbreak

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Ian, Aug 14, 2012.

  1. Firestormm

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    Really?? Then wtf is this?

    The solution? Get vaccinated again and again and again. Even though the vaccine might not be effective. Or could simply be targeting the wrong pathogen. But never mind. Get vaccinated again. We simply can't think of anything else, so why not. :eek:
     
  3. Firestormm

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    You know all science is about probability, right Natasa? Being vaccinated reduces the likelihood of getting whooping cough in this case. And if you do contract it, the chances are it will be relatively mild.

    I think the article - and extracts - are perfectly reasonable. Far more reasonable that some I have read. Vaccine's cannot (yet) eradicate this disease. They can and do reduce the chances of contracting it.

    As ever though it is your choice.
     
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    There is no indication that either is correct here. They just haven't a faintest idea so are resorting to wishful thinking.
     
  5. August59

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    The Whooping Cough should be looked at to see if it has possibly mutated (if it is possible for whooping cough to mutate) or if it has developed increased resistance to the vaccine and to current treatment protocols, so that if someone should come down with it they have the effective treatment options available.

    With possible overall general weakened immune systems the whole vaccination protocol should be re-evaluated to possibly doing a couple of more vaccinations with less vaccine per shot and spreading vaccines apart from other vaccinations. This would obviously lead to many more injections, so development or different delivery options need to be put into effect.

    Look very hard at stopping these triple pathogen vaccination shots.

    Look at the possibility of strengthening the immune system, so that 1 shot (or other form of delivery) is all that will be needed to acheive the same resistance to the disease as multiple shots would achieve.

    Look very, very hard at what vaccinations are absolutely beyond a shadow of doubt are needed cause we cannot continue to add more and more vaccines. I just do not think an eventual bombardment of vaccinations for 15 or 20 different diseases is going to be tolerated by our immune systems.

    I'm sure big pharma doesn't want to hear this, but they can get their butts busy developing different delivery options and making sure their present vaccines are targeting these pathogens or diseases in the most effcient way possible. Mumps. whooping cough, rubella and measles may not be the same as they were 20 or 30 years ago when the vaccines were developed. Especially when we have these outbreaks, which gives these pathogens a greater opportunity to mutate or develop resistance.
    (Disclaimer: My verbage addressing many of these medical terms are quite possibly incorrect, but I think most anyone on this forum can substitute the correct word as they are reading. It's been an unusually brain fog filled day on the home front!)
     
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    22 August 2012

    In Defense of Science: An Interview with NCSE’s Eugenie Scott

     
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    He responds to valid, real issues by fearmongering and 'devil will punish the wicked' boogeyman talk. This is medieval attempt to hold on to position of authority, while at the same time realising that his 'authority' is built on a cloud of dust.

    When criticising someone's 'misunderstanding' of science it would be good to throw in some science LOL. Like good old mechanistic biology physiopathology etc and at least an indication of REAL understanding of issues at hand.

    This guy is completely clueless and useless, but is still carrying on while pretending that he has a direct line to the Almighty.

    How anyone still falls for this type of empty talk puzzles me no end.
     
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    How long have they been bundling it with the tetanus booster?
     
  9. Firestormm

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    This 'guy' is a 'gal' ;)
     
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    When I was 9mos old I almost died from pertussis, this was in 1950. My parents are gone but my oldest brother remembers it well. A special courier was sent from Cleveland Clinic with meds that may have saved my life. I have no idea what it was but I wonder if any CFS/ME suffers had pertussis or was vaccinated. It's odd but when my father was alive and I had CFS already for 15 yrs, he used to wonder if that medicine made me sick in my 30's.
     
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    Not to mention fainting after the 4th polio shot when about 8. This was the extra shot that was recommended (it was previously 3) and before the sugar cubes.
     
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    Wow, glad you are okay now, relatively speaking, that is. It could be a combination of the medication and the pertussis. I have no idea what kind of medication is used and you have peaked my curiosity. Take care.
    Barb C.:>)
     
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    I don't know. but it is called TDaP in the adult version.
     
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    I wonder sometimes whether the DPT vaccine sparked my ME. I had the vacination as an adult and developed ME quite soon after, following a very mild virus - lasting a couple of days!

    I was interested because Charles Shepherd focused on the hepatitis b vaccine and tetanus as being associated with triggering ME http://www.cfids.org/archives/2001rr/2001-rr1-article03.asp
    This data (although unpublished) suggests that tetanus, typhoid, influenza, and hepatitis B are the most commonly implicated vaccines in cases of CFS.
    Almost all of my cases involve adults, and in a significant minority the vaccine was administered when the person had not yet fully recovered from an infective illness such as infectious mononucleosis (known as glandular fever in the U.K.) or had already experienced an adverse reaction to a previous dose of the same vaccine (as is sometimes the case with hepatitis B accine).
     
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    Thanks for the reply, I was asking because in the fall of 2006 I cut my foot. My PCP stitched me up and gave me a tetanus shot. About three months latter I got a flu shot at work and a couple of days after receiving that flu shot on Friday December 15th I was hit by a virus, flu I really don't know what it was. I do know that it was unlike any illness I'd ever experienced In my life and I know that I haven't been the same since. Things that make you wonder oh well no time to speculate.
     
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    looks like Tdap was introduced in 2005
    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a607027.html

    sorry to hear this

    getting a vaccine and then coming down with an infectious illness, even a minor one like a cold, has always been really bad for me
     

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