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White blood cells

Discussion in 'Immunological' started by James_B, Aug 23, 2016.

  1. James_B

    James_B

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    Hi everybody!

    What is the white blood cell signature for ME?

    I have one of the family(don't remember which one) at 1.0 but they should be from 1.5 +

    I wonder if ME does this? I am not so eager to get a spike into the hip bone for testing this.

    Just wondering. :)

    Take care!
     
  2. wastwater

    wastwater Senior Member

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    I'm not sure what the ME norm is but when I had a virus recently my white cells went low is that normal?
     
  3. Mary

    Mary Senior Member

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    I don't know if there is a white blood cell signature for ME; however, I believe it's very common for people with ME to have a low white blood cell count. Mine has been low for probably 20 years. The doctors never seem concerned and just shrug. Although of course my immune system is defective, I have hard time fighting viruses, etc.

    I recently found this article, which lists various causes of neutropenia, and one of them is deficiency of B12, folate or copper - sound familiar?
    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265373.php

    I'm not sure what you mean by having a spike in your hip bone; a simple blood test will give you your WBC count.
     
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  4. Tammy

    Tammy Senior Member

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    With virus your white cells can be high or low.
     
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  5. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem All Good Things Must Come to an End

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    When I got the infection that started all of this, I went back to the clinic (twice) to tell them that I was not recovering well. They told me (twice) that I could not still be sick because my temperature and WBC were low. Not normal, mind you, but low. :bang-head:
     
  6. MikeV

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    I know one way to obtain a bone marrow biopsy to test for leukemia is to go in at the hip bone.

    I just found out my white cell count and ABSOLUTE NEUTROPHILS are low.
     
  7. James_B

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    Ok, was it painful? they say bones get harder by age.
     
  8. MikeV

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    I have not had the leukemia biopsy procedure done.
    You get your white blood cell count from a simple blood draw.
     
  9. halcyon

    halcyon Senior Member

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    For the routine CBC panel, there isn't one. Sometimes mild eosinophilia (7-10%).

    The CD4:CD8 ratio may be abnormally high in the acute phase, then becoming abormally low in the chronic phase.

    Lymphocytes perhaps? You can get a lymphocyte subset panel which can show which specific types are low. As alluded to above, in acute patients it's the CD8+ lymphocytes that are low, but in the chronic patients it's the CD4+ that drops, causing the ratio changes.
     
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  10. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years Hoarder of biscuits

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    A bone marrow test is only done when the diagnosis isn't clear. For example, it's possible to diagnose leukemia from a regular blood sample. A bone marrow test is hard on the patient and will only be done when other test results are inconclusive and the clinical picture leads to suspicion of something serious (possibly life-threatening) going on, such as leukemia or lymphoma. I doubt that ME alone would be considered life-threatening. Life-altering, yes, but not life-threatening.
    http://patient.info/health/bone-marrow-biopsy-and-aspiration
    Here's Dr. Myhill's take on hematology in ME/CFS:
    http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/haematology_-_interpretation
     
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  11. mtnbibliophile

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    This question would be strange anywhere other than a CFS/ME forum, but I'm concerned that after having had high WBC counts for years, my last one was normal. The high WBC counts seemed appropriate as an indication that my immune system was trying to fight the underlying infections linked to CFS/ME that I have (CMV, HHV- VI, EBV, and Chlamydia Pneumoniae). Now I'm taking a drug for my leukemia that has reduced my WBC. It seems to me that that means my immune system is not combating the underlying infections as strongly, which would account for my greatly increased fatigue and other CFS/ME symptoms. Anyone have any thoughts?
     
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