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Whey protein--hypoglycemia?

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by donnie1234, Dec 26, 2011.

  1. donnie1234

    donnie1234

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    Im wondering if the whey protein ive been taking for many, many years has been affecting me. I cut it out 4 weeks ago and was so sick for the first 4 days. Since then, my hypoglycemia is far worse. I was wondering if perhaps it has a similar effect as sugar on your liver in terms of its unnatural rapid absorption? It seems like my body wants it but im trying not to. I dont know whether it means im mistakenly stopping something that has been alleviating my problems or im effectively cutting out a malignant contributor to my health issues. It scares me because i cant afford to make too many more mistakes in my treatment both physically and emotionally. Im wondering also whether it just damaged my liver after all those years.

    thanks for any advice
  2. August59

    August59 Daughters High School Graduation

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    Not sure if this could be related, but this website has a section on why "Whey protein" is not at controlling insulin and causes rapid sugar spikes. I have not read very much of it plus the website is trying to sell a book or series of books which raises red flags for me.

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dairy-insulin/#axzz1gg8oqooV
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    Freddd Senior Member

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    Hi Donnie,
    Whey can do all sorts of mschief as it can casue induced folate deficiency. With the active b12 protocol, basic info at http://forums.phoenixrising.me/showthread.php?11522-Active-B12-Protocol-Basics this whole CFS/FMS thing and many side issues can be taken care of.
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    anniekim Senior Member

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    Fredd, may I ask what is induced folate deficiency? Thanks
  5. Freddd

    Freddd Senior Member

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    Hi Anniekim,

    There are a number of items, perhaps a dozen or more medications, glutathione, NAC, whey (in at least some forms, not enough data) that can cause methylfolate at least, to plumet where it is needed but in some cases at least can still be in serum so it tests good or even high. There is a lot of detail at the link. I'm putting together a questionaire with Rich to try to get at what is going on.
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/show...duced-Methylb12-and-Methylfolate-Deficiencies
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    Thanks Fredd. I look forward to reading the questionnaire when it's completed. Also I take it that you believe cfs/m.e and fms are all due to B12 problems? Not that it is just a sub group/misdiagnosed m.e patients?
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    Hi Anniekim,

    I take it that you believe cfs/m.e and fms are all due to B12 problems?

    That would be a vast simplification. There are 4 (2 CNS and 2 body deficiencies, not one all inclusive b12 deficiency) distinct b12 deficiency syndromes. Then there is the folate deficiency that is so tightly linked to b12 problems that it is only in the last two years that I have been able to describe the differences. That is what this questionaire is about, the folate deficiency. On top of that the b12/folate deficiencies damage our entire disgestive system, immune system, neurological and everything else. So there are cascading other problems and deficiencies. So in addition to the basic 5 there are 6 or so secondary critical deficiencies and then a couple of dozen possible teritary deficiencies. The basic b12/folate deficiency symptoms account for around 400 total symptoms or secondary diagnoses such as IBS, MCS, neuropathy, at least some autoimmune disorders, every single symptom of ME, CFS and FMS and far more. It may actually be a genetic folate problem that is at the root of things. Also, as a major complication, these deficiencies just appear to set the stage for CFS/FMS. In many it then takes something like a virus or bacterial infection or vaccination or even traumatic injury to kick a fragile system into a knocked down position and then it stays there without outside help. Then the many symptoms tend to worsen and increase over the years. As the messed up digestive system is less able to absorb things more and more deficiencies creep in. As a damaged immune system works more and more poorly all sorts of viruses and bacteria get a foothold. As the system becomes more and more hair trigger, autoimmun, allergic, asthma etc all increases and tissue healing gets worse and worse. These b12/folate deficienciesm in the body is like fixing an IPAD with a sledge hammer, knocked to pieces. After 8.5 years of healing and rehabilitation I no longer have 175 symptoms I had 9 years ago. The ones I have left are due to residual neurological damage that is part of an extreme prolonged b12 deficiency (it went unrecognized and untreated for decades since the docs would rather call me names like "yuppie flu" and "imaginary woman's disease" then diagnose and treat real problems) and getting broadsided by a car in 1972 with broken back (3 vertabras fractured and nerve and disk damage) and some other hard milage and a few things from paraqdoxical folate deficiency. The FMS and CFS have been fully gone for years. As I just found paradoxical folate deficiency this past year or two, the things due to that now have a chance to heal. That isn't even an officially name or documented disorder. It barely became possible to identify it becasue Metafolin has only been available for a few years.

    I came close to death before I found mb12 and then the rest pf the protocol. However, not b12 deificiency, not FMS, not CSF would have been on the death certificate. What would have been on it would have been congestive heart failure, or pneumonia or hospital aquired infection or something else. Nobody dies of the CFS/FMS. They die of one of the other things caused by damged endothelial tissues (heart, veins, arteries), infection from poor immune system, severe allergic reaction, asthma etc., falling from vertigo or getting driven to he doctor. That is misleading to have such a devastating disease and a zero death rate. As there are probably a couple of hundred named problems based on a few of the symtpoms each, that is what they die of.

    Docs NEVER sit still and listen to a recitation of 200 symptoms. Something with 200 non-specific symptoms is never going to be diagnosed. They take 10 of them and pin a name on them and ship the person off to 10- specialists to each identify one or two things each based on 10 symptoms or so and ignore 100 of them for decades.
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    Hi Donnie. I myself get severe hypogycemia at times which turns out to be due to having hyperinsulinemia (insulin spikes can drop blood sugar too low). I see a specialist and also a nutritionist for these issues. My specialist has told me to eat PROTEIN before having any carbs (carbs make insulin raise). Making sure one is also having protein before carbs or with carbs.. helps prevent the insulin from suddenly spiking.

    I dont know much about whey protein and all this but as it is a protein... I wonder if you actually have hyperinsulinemia (high insulin) and if the protein from the whey was helping to prevent your hypoglycemia by preventing insulin spikes which is "one" cause of people getting hypoglycemia.

    I strongly suggest for you to see if you can get a 2hr glucose tollerance test done with the insulin levels included (they can do this test using glucose you drink or with ones body response to a persons normal breakfast).. to see if you have insulin issues and hence that then also causing the hypoglycemia.

    My diet for this kind of issue and the symptoms the high insulin gives me is far stricter then a diabetic diet. I eat a ton of protein to help this issue. I get all kinds of symptoms or symptoms of the ME/CFS made worst when my insulin is high even when Im not getting the hypoglycemia. (all this is also a prediabetes state)

    If the protein of the whey was helping to balance your insulin IF you do have issues there... you may notice a severer response on suddenly stopping the whey.

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