The 12th Invest in ME Research Conference June, 2017, Part 2
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When preventing HIV, bacteria in the vagina matter

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by antares4141, Jun 3, 2017.

  1. antares4141

    antares4141 Senior Member

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    Truth or consequences, nm
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    Good to see research into the vaginal microbiome. I'd like to see lots more research here. This is where my ME started I believe, a changed microbiome after infection + antibiotic (pessary + oral). I think my immune system got disturbed by this change and kept trying to fix it but couldn't and then caused ME to set in years later.
     
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    Emily L Dog sitter

    What does this mean for me?
     
  4. antares4141

    antares4141 Senior Member

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    Could very well be part of the CFS puzzle.
     
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    So a whole lot of women got HIV?? I mean for sure the placebo's?
     
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    It was a placebo controlled trial, so yes, some got HIV.
    The drug was not 100% effective, so some got it in the treatment group, both due to poor usage y the woman and the drug not working 100%.
    They were paid to do the study, and were having sex anyway.
    I have not read the methods in detail, but it is usual for this sort of study to include medical care afterwards for adverse events, so they likely will be provided antiretrovirals free, which allows them to live a normal life, pretty much.
    A total of about 8% of the women got HIV.
     
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    That's a little disturbing.....I guess the only way to test it but still disturbing.
     
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    Seems to me it would be highly unethical to give somebody something telling them it would reduce their likelihood of contracting aids when the only known safe methods are abstinence, committed relationship, or protection, both the ladder which are not failsafe for obvious reasons. But to have a placebo controlled group? They won't do studies where some participants are given vaccines and the control group is not for this very reason.

    I must be misunderstanding something here.
     
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    The trial (presumably) told them that they may or may not be receiving something, not that they were.

    People do have sex anyway.
    If you're encouraging them, that's clearly an issue.
     
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    If people have some sense of false security they may take more risk's. To me as in my example of ethics and vaccine studies, seems to me, unethical to do this. Although I may be missing something. I'm no expert and haven't the time to dig down deep into the weeds. So I am going to assume they did nothing wrong, it just seems that way to me with my limited understanding of what they did. And that's just my uninformed opinion.
     
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    It might be that these people were against anti conception in the first place. They just got persuaded to join this trial. Who knows.
     
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    This was not a contraceptive gel.
     
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    Sorry I meant unsafe sex. Brainfog. I was thinking condoms. In many countries condoms are a big taboo.
     

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