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What is the mechanism of feeling tired but not being able to sleep?

Discussion in 'Sleep' started by ChrisD, Jun 30, 2017.

  1. Alvin2

    Alvin2 If humans were rational...

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    I am taking one 500mg acetyl carnitine daily (as well as Q10, B12, methylfolate, melatonin and currently testing Ribose).
    I plan to try 2 tablets in the future once i get though my ribose testing and perhaps a few others i have planned.
     
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  2. AlwaysTired

    AlwaysTired

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    Yes I've been experiencing exactly this. Feeling really tired at 8pm, so I would go to bed, and within half an hour wide awake and unable to fall asleep. It started as a reversal of cortisol release (delayed sleep phase disorder) then progressed to perpetually spiked cortisol, so I couldn't sleep once morning came or get adequate sleep at night either.

    Tried so many things and most did little to nothing or side effects were so bad it wasn't worth it (trazadone, various strong otc sleep aids).

    I've been doing chanting meditation for the past two days and it has helped a lot. I just posted about it if you want to know more: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...chanting-meditation-curing-my-insomnia.53111/
     
  3. gettinbetter

    gettinbetter Senior Member

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    This seems a common problem here

    Me too
    I find that that when I overdo ii I get sleepy later and later

    i think it is too because ashwaganda and DHEA helps me to sleep and I believe these lower cortisol levels
    The other things to help me go to sleep are
    Rena Food Rena Food by standard process
    Magnesium
    staying topped of with B12 Hydroxo
    Regular exercise aerobic (Light when I feel up to it )
    Gaba
    Big meal at beginning of day and snack before bed
    Ambien and quetiapine
    There are other things I have tried too but I still have difficulty going to sleep
    I am trying to strengthen the adrenals too by using Wilsons Adrenal Rebuilder and Liver
    vitamin C Pantothetic acid
    This biggest help is reducing bacterial load using antibiotics Herbs and Thyme essential oil

    I am interested in how other here improve sleep and if that is related to strengthening adrenals ?


    Even when I do sleep it is not restful sleep
     
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  4. hamsterman

    hamsterman Senior Member

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    I think we call that 'wired but tired' Its really common with ME/CFS. LDN helped for me.
     
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  5. gettinbetter

    gettinbetter Senior Member

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    My analogy is

    My battery gets depleted and my body goes into a kind of shock/hypermetabolic activity trying to recharge ( at least that is how it feels) which is why I can't sleep.

    I have added earthing to my protocol for sleep and it really seems to help me get to sleep
     
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    seaflower

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    Wired and tired, yes What is LDN?

    I've tried everything. I was also wondering about that 5HTP or whatever it is. I have some, don't know how to use it.
     
  7. hamsterman

    hamsterman Senior Member

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    Low Dose Naltrexone. 1.5 mgs per day. It helped me significantly. I think about half the people who've tried it say it helps with sleeping. It also helped me with brainfog during the day.
     

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