Hello folks . My head is a little clearer thanks to various supps I have heard about on this forum -- yay! -- and so I am starting to realise that my muscle situation is not normal. Not normal at all. My back, butt, and hamstings are the main issues, but everywhere is problematic. I do a lot of stretching -- if I don't, and sometimes when I do, the pain keeps me up all night. 'A lot of stretching' used to mean an hour or two. But that has grown over the years: Now I spend 4 hours every evening doing yoga, and I spend almost every waking moment in a stretching position. I wake up, I stretch 2 hours before I can get out of bed. Throughout the day, I am mostly bed- or couch-ridden and I stretch while reading or netsurfing. I am stretching now while I type this. Then the 4 hours of yoga in the evening, brush teeth, stretch two more hours in bed before lights out. Because brushing my teeth, like everything else, make my back cramp up. In addition, I get 4 hours per week of extremely deep massage. Yes, I realise that this is insane, now that I am thinking more clearly. But I cannot cope without it. I take 200mg Celebrex twice a day. Muscle relaxants and opiates, even in tiny doses, give me sleep apnea. Magnesium, calcium, iron, maganese, and potassium all help with restless legs (sometimes one mineral, sometimes another) but what I describe here is unaffected by them. (I am also taking the max effective dose of each of them. -- Taking more does not help more.) I also take fish oil, eve primrose oil, and vit D, although they don't seem to affect this symptom. I used google to read some old threads here on the topic, and used them to generate a list of things to try. I would love to hear from ya'll if I have missed anything that should be on the list, and suggestions for what to try first. I am so tired of spending so much money on supps and waiting for them to arrive from amazon . My doc will likely prescribe anything I request, but I will have to pay out of pocket for the drugs. So, cheap ones are good. collagen silica glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM (I don't have problems with dietary sulfur) LDN epsom baths (I worry about aggravating chronic yeast overgrowth) malic acid antabloc Thank you, everyone, anyone . PS: I am using the mobile version of this site -- I think chat does not work on that, but PM does, for those who prefer not to reply publicly .