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What enzymes to use for biofilms?

Discussion in 'The Gut: De Meirleir & Maes; H2S; Leaky Gut' started by keenly, Jul 3, 2010.

  1. Lotus97

    Lotus97 Senior Member

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    Is there a way to know where it's located?
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    Rand56 Senior Member

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    hi adreno

    I know this post of yours is from a couple weeks ago and maybe you already got your Candex and started it. In case you haven't yet, I know that they claim that there is no herx reaction from it, but my experience was quite the opposite. First day I followed the instructions of only taking 1 capsule. Bad idea! For "hours" following, I had the worst severe bloating and discomfort I've ever had. Looked like I swallowed a basketball.

    Hope you don't have the same kind of reaction, but if I were you, play it safe and start out with less than a full cap.

    Rand
  3. adreno

    adreno 3% neanderthal

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    Hi Rand,

    Yes, I started out easy with just a single cap. Like you, I had quite a herx reaction. Nausea, headache, malaise and the most severe depression. I've been on it a few days and doing better. I'm up to the full dose now. It seems quite effective.

    Pharmaceutical antifungals actually work by destroying the cell walls of fungi, and as I understand it those cell walls are mainly cellulose. So it might be that Candex is as effective as the drugs, but without the same toxicity. I haven't experienced the same herx reaction, even with high doses of other enzymes.

    Note I'm also taking monolaurin, garlic extract, probiotics, OLE and will add Candida Clear (NOW brand) soon. So I'm really hitting it hard. Death before dishonor.
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    Guess my warning to you was a bit too late LOL sorry. Well, glad you got thru it and seems you were as miserable as me.

    It pisses me off that it's marketed as having no healing crisis by many, and even on Pure Essence Labs home site it says "virtually" no healing crisis. Guess that's how they cover their azzes by saying virtually.

    The sad thing is, I'm sure there are many others who got the same type of reaction like you and I had. The company would be better off giving some warnings or just have people start off slower. Misleading people can be dangerous and I wonder if some people say to themselves "great..no healing crisis? Maybe I'll move this along faster and start out with 2 caps instead of 1!" Wow, I couldn't imagine how I would have felt on 2 when I know how I felt on one.

    You've actually given me some hope to kind of push thru this some more since you say things have gotten better. For a few weeks after that first time I took it, I was too scared to even try a much smaller dose, not really knowing if my reaction was just being allergic to it or I was actually doing some good killing off some critters. Just on occasion I dose with it but I do no more than like 1/5th of a cap. I'll start pushing up a bit more and hopefully it will get better from there.

    Rand
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    adreno 3% neanderthal

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    For me the die-off was mostly gone after a few days. I was kinda disappointed, lol. I take the Candex with Medizyme; I read somewhere that taking protease will help tolerate the die-off. Enzymedica has a product that combines the two:

    http://www.enzymedica.com/store/Candidase
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    I remember reading some customer reviews for Candex on iHerb where they also experienced herx/die-off.
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    May I suggest NAC - see this paper https://idsa.confex.com/idsa/2010/webprogram/Paper2660.html

    Also if your problem is sinus infection then I have personally used both xylitol chewing gum and xylitol nasal sprays and found them useful. Xylitol is mildly laxative so if you have problems in that direction use the nasal spray. It has been known to release down throats foul tasting gunk.
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    Has anyone tried any of the enzymes mentioned in this thread (such as serrapeptase or nattokinase) for inflammation? I suppose it depends what type of inflammation you have and what's causing your pain (or other symptoms possibly related to inflammation). That's something I'm having a hard time pinning down.
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    I tried 1 capsule of Candex about 4 weeks ago, within 24 hours the brain fog I experienced for 15+ years subsided. My muscles also felt better than ever. Man was I impressed. Finally feel like I got to the root of my CFS and feeling normal. There is no doubt that in my mind now that candida is likely the sole cause of my CFS. I slowly ramped up the dose, and felt amazing for 2 weeks also switched to Syntol. No herx. Then I forgot to take it for a few days.

    Started taking it again, and then BAM, within 30mins get hit with massive nausea and vomiting lasting for 4-8 hours. I can't even take 1 pill now without massive symptoms, where before I was taking up to 6 a day.

    I have serrapeptase on order, and hoping it will be more gentle. If not I'm going to have to try taking 1/4 capsule and very slowly ramping up. I also have Lufernuron on order, but am paranoid to start it in case herx is worse than the Candex/Syntol restart.

    In the mean time I'm loading up on probiotics and BOD patented Candida killer which I'm doing fine on.
    Also taking a bit of zeolite to help with possible heavy metal release from fungal die off.
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    I take CDX from ThreeLac (Candidase+Protease), Virastop and Nattokinase since six weeks, and since this time I have die-off symptoms, temporarily very worse. But in my stool there is also temporarily much sticky mucus, which I believe, this is the biofilm (I have Candida+Parasites), and which I did not habe before taking enzymes.
    Does anybody know, how the biofilm looks like?

    I also take Saccharomyces boulardii, and several other probiotics and several prebiotics, next week I will begin taking resistant starch.

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