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Wessely's next pie

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by TiredSam, May 1, 2017.

  1. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    I have just found a fabulous app:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.livehappy.android.happy&hl=de

    Oh Deepak's in it, it must be good. Bear with me and keep reading please, it gets interesting.

    What are these livehappy people going to do next? How about supporting a world-wide organisation and see if they can influence government policy everywhere, get into schools and capture the minds / custom of the world's youth?

    I give you the International Positive Education Network:

    http://www.ipositive-education.net/

    See anyone interesting in those mugshots?

    Read their web-page and be impressed by the sciency bits. Read their report. Does this sound familiar:

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    And just in case you were thinking of voting labour in the UK in the hope of reducing the influence of establishment megalomaniacs on government policy, read what this affable chap has to say:

    (EDIT - sorry about the smallprint, but please read it, it contains a fascinating insight, or you can download their report and read it in larger print. Full report downloadable here
    http://www.ipositive-education.net/ipens-state-of-positive-education-report/
    following excerpt is from page 8)

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    Look - they do studies and measure things so it must be science:

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    etc ...

    Any questions? If you hurry you can sign up for their conference on May 5th and ask the good lord himself:

    https://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-ul...h-in-education-conference-tickets-32582840152
     
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  2. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Excepts from Layard’s Wikepedia page:

    Now it looks like he's joining forces with Wessely to take over / psychologise education in the UK and the rest of the world.
     
  3. Izola

    Izola Senior Member

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    You are scaring the sh*t out of me.
     
  4. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Yes I'm sorry, heartsink moment isn't it.
     
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  5. Izola

    Izola Senior Member

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    Np need to be sorry. I live in the states and am getting used to it, I guess. iz
     
  6. Art Vandelay

    Art Vandelay Senior Member

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    I'm not at all surprised. The London School of Economics does not have a good reputation amongst serious economists these days.

    A lot of their focus is on trendy areas of research (which aren't backed by empirical evidence) that paint the masses as too unsophisticated and stupid to be able to make decisions that are in their own best interests. Thus, they conclude that 'benevolent bureaucrats' and 'experts' like Wessely should be given the power to control our lives and make decisions for us. Scary stuff indeed.

    EDIT:
    It's already happening. My niece is in primary school in Australia and told me about some of the inane mindfulness exercises she has been taught at school. Apparently they are intended to help her keep a positive attitude and improve concentration levels. They were complete bollocks.
     
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  7. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    Please excuse me all the lovely gentlemen on these boards for this observation -- all of the Mental Health and Wellbeing proponents shown are very privileged, very white men. I believe at least for the Brits mentioned that they were born into that privilege or had a privileged upbringing.

    That's not to say that is what confers happiness but it does smooth the path in life in being able to avoid the kind and number of challenges that the less privileged face.

    What they really want here is for the 99% to be content with what they have and when gramma goes into a state care facility that is inadequate while their dear mother gets round the clock care at home from well trained staff we should -- Be Happy -- It's all good -- Chillax --pop a pill -- Zen out.

    These things on their own are not wrong or bad but they are being abused (no surprise there) as a political tool to keep the masses in line.
    Don't cooperate.
     
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  8. Mohawk1995

    Mohawk1995 Senior Member

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    I am neither a fan of "Positive" thinking nor "Negative" thinking. I prefer "right" thinking which is looking at both the good and bad in life and then choosing to pursue something good. It is based in reality. Positive thinking only works while life is going well in your definition. It is not based in reality and the same applies to Negative thinking.

    It gets scarier when those in Authority start pushing a "Positive" thinking (Chopra) or a "Negative" thinking (Hitler) mindset. The first one is far more dangerous than it appears at first glance. Here is a quote that says it best:

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” CS Lewis
     
  9. Mohawk1995

    Mohawk1995 Senior Member

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    Don't get me started on "mindfulness"! If anyone is mindful of and in their own circumstances, a person with ME/CFS would be at the top of the list!!! Not wrong to count your blessings. Not wrong to live in the moment the best you can. But reality is not all roses and happy feasts! Sometimes it is brutal. Often so for people with chronic disease.
     
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    He has links to Tony Blair which says everything! :devil: These Blairites seem to have their fingers In the pie as much as the Tories!!
     
  11. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Esther Crawley? Trudie Chalder? Rona Moss Morris? Live Landmark? Lord Laylard's wife is in the Lords with him. Simon Wessely is part of a power couple. I could go on and on, but don't want to be accused of being defensive, shrill and hysterical.
     
  12. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    And another thing before I swish my cape and swan off slamming the door -

    http://www.ipositive-education.net/

    Of the steering committee members and staff shown at the bottom of the page, 6 of them are women, including the COO and co-founder of livehappy.
     
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  13. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    I agree entirely. It is equal opportunity. And I know Claire Gerada is every bit as much behind it.
    What I guess I wasn't making clear was that they are the front men. The face of the movement. The established and traditional 'look' if you will of those set apart from the hoi polloi.
     
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  14. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    They are a unique type of nauseating aren't they?
     
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  15. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    Nauseating yes, unique no. What we are talking about is the human condition.

    In pointing out the 'demographic' of the people fronting the 'movement' if that's what it is I was pointing out something that has been around a good while.

    To me the privilege part (because they can pronounce/enact things like austerity without ever having to give anything up etc) is the real horror the white and male part can easily change in different times/places/circumstances.

    This is PR material so one would assume that the aim is to project something particular to the intended audience.

    Again my statement was just about what it is they want to project. Privileged women are no less culpable -- the issue being one of privilege dictating to the masses to shut up and accept the rules as laid out from the top.
     
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  16. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years Hoarder of biscuits

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    In the 1980s in California there was a self-esteem project that became policy in the schools. Eventually there was a lot of criticism.
    http://www.ascd.org/ASCD/pdf/journals/ed_lead/el_199109_beane.pdf

    I think the reasoning behind self-esteem projects and similar measures is faulty. It's boils down to thinking that changing something on the outside (repeating phrases like "I am a wonderful person") changes how one feels on the inside. Actual achievement and mastery have far better consequences and more lasting consequences to bolstering one's psyche than going through the motions of repeating stuff.

    It would be like saying that zebras are faster than white horses and an owner of a white horse thinking, "Well I've got a bucket of black paint here." :jaw-drop: :whistle:
     
  17. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem All Good Things Must Come to an End

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    Did this nonsense begin in the U.S.? :aghhh:
     
  18. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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    More meaningless inflation of subjective questionnaires. We need to map whether human needs are being met to see whether any of this is potentially meaningful or not.
     
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  19. RogerBlack

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    Common sense is a terrible thing.
    I am reminded of 'Scared Straight'. A program which gave 'troubled teens' a visit to a high security prison, in the idea they would be scared into avoiding prison.
    Unfortunately, when you actually looked at the numbers, it had precisely the opposite effect, and made it more likely these troubled teens would go on to be in prison.

    'Common sense', when it drives the science needs to be held on a short rein.
     
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    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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    I see you snuck in a reply before I edited my post. I hadn't clicked on the link at that stage. :sluggish:
     
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