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Wessely on air at BBC 4 Radio

Discussion in 'Action Alerts and Advocacy' started by NexusOwl, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. NexusOwl

    NexusOwl Spanish advocate

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  2. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

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    :thumbdown:


    PS I like knowing about it, but will probably dislike much of what is said.
     
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    Dx Revision Watch Suzy Chapman, Dx Revision Watch

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    To what end?

    Wessely starts speaking (via radio car and in his capacity as President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists) at 16 mins 15 secs in from start of programme; he speaks for about 3 minutes.

    He was brought in to comment on the Prime Minister's speech on mental health services, on CAMHS (Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services) and mentions services for anorexia nervosa (following an earlier, brief interview with the mother of a daughter with the disorder).

    Edited to add link for BBC site report on Theresa May's speech at the Charity Commission on mental health reforms:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38548567
     
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  4. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member

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    He has had such a huge impact on life for pwME (shame it couldn't have been for the better!), it's easy to forget that he has fingers in so many other pies.
     
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  5. Webdog

    Webdog 84%-91% undiagnosed

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    That would perhaps explain why this article, praising the results of the PACE Trial, coincidentally came out today:

    Chronic fatigue syndrome patients have long-term benefits with these two CFS treatments: Study
    http://www.belmarrahealth.com/chron...-long-term-benefits-two-cfs-treatments-study/
     
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  6. AndyPR

    AndyPR Senior Member

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    Looks like it's a regurgitation of the follow up study to PACE to me. Also, if I did buy products from Belmarra Health I'd stop now due to them hosting that nonsense on their site.
     
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    Dx Revision Watch Suzy Chapman, Dx Revision Watch

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    It's a US and Canadian based outfit selling supplements.

    Their sources for the article were the October, 28 2015 Oxford press release and the October 28, 2015 Lancet paper:

    "Sources:
    http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2015-10-28-treatments-offer-hope-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-cfsme-0
    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(15)00317-X/fulltext
     
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  8. Webdog

    Webdog 84%-91% undiagnosed

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    The timing (today Jan 9) just feels coincidental. Perhaps I'm just paranoid. :confused:

    Belmarra Health regularly posts somatic CFS garbage on their website, and their articles usually come up at the top of a google news search. :eek:

    Sorry, didn't mean to sidetrack this thread.
     
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    Dx Revision Watch Suzy Chapman, Dx Revision Watch

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    I noticed they have this article on CFS on their site:

    http://www.belmarrahealth.com/overcoming-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-steps-follow/

    I can provide no evidence for you, but I doubt very much that the appearance of an article rehashed from an October 2015 press release for the Lancet PACE paper to promote sales of

    "CLINICAL STRENGTH ENERGY COMPLEX"

    and

    "Daily Orac Powder"

    has any relation to Simon Wessely giving a 3 minute sound bite on today's BBC's Radio 4 World at One programme, this afternoon, as part of the BBC's lunchtime coverage of Theresa May's speech on mental health reforms (amongst other political issues).

    I am grateful to NexusOwl for bringing this sound bite to our attention.

    But there was nothing about CFS, ME in the very brief comments from Simon Wessely on the Prime Minister's speech.
     
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  10. SilverbladeTE

    SilverbladeTE Senior Member

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    Well, as many folk here now note and understand, "BBC" really stands for:
    British Bullshit Corporation :D

    I'm quite sure the lying, biased crap the BBC puts out makes even Satan blush in shame :p
     
  11. Large Donner

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    The issue of "destigmatising mental health" and child mental health services has been all over the BBC today.

    Here are some of the points I picked up from the claims being made by the government today.

    "3 children in each classroom have an undiagnosed mental health condition".

    "We are introducing a first aid for mental health scheme in schools whereby people in schools will be trained in how to identify the first signs of a mental health condtion".

    "Hospitals have been diverting their mental health budgets into physical health departments and we are going to start penalising them for doing that".

    With Wessely and his likes all over this what this really means is the psychological profession who are yet unable to qualify what they mean by mental health and psychology etc and distinguish between metal health and misunderstood physical health have lobbied the hell out of government promising them financial savings and more control over peoples lives.

    This is a disaster in the making, none of these people care about mental health whatever that is, they just care about market share and they are boosted by their own egotistical belief that they have some magical powers that can identify and treat "mental health conditions" without even defining and all agreeing what they mean by mental health.

    Its chilling that its is being rolled out in schools whereby the dinner lady and the part time classroom assistant will be given the power via a day course in "the early signs of mental health", to single out your child into a state register whereby if you tell them to fuck off and leave your kid alone you will then no doubt be put on some kind of watch list for neglecting your childs' needs.

    Secondly the claim that mental health budgets are being diverted in to physical health leaving mental health underfunded is right out of the BPS little red book on propaganda.

    This is an attack on biomedical science also whereby many conditions could by state order be kept in the domain of "mental health," whilst at the same time real issues with social and development problems can be ignored and controlled under the guise of claiming more and more help is out there.

    This, all by definition, means that more people are going to be "diagnosed" with a mental health condition, that's the very aim of the project under the claim that so many are going undiagnosed.

    Just think about that in the context of the likes of the Wessely school and how narcissistic they are and in a society whereby science has been totally hijacked by corporate lobbyists who are in bed with government who keep telling us that their job is to shape society.
     
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    So anecdotal evidence being used as a cornerstone for the defence of a supposedly well run clinical trial.
    Preparing the ground perhaps for the eventual exposure that "these treatments do not help everybody" actually equates to nobody, for patients with real ME/CFS.
     
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    Dx Revision Watch Suzy Chapman, Dx Revision Watch

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    Full text: Theresa May’s ‘shared society’ speech

    The Spectator

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/full-text-theresa-mays-shared-society-speech/

    The section on mental health starts about half way down the web page.

    (There is also an audio of the speech. The section on proposed mental health reform starts at 18:15.)

    "We will pilot new approaches such as offering mental health first aid training for teachers and staff to help them identify and assist children experiencing mental health problems."

    "...Fourth, we will rapidly expand the treatment available by investing £67.7 million in digital mental health services. Online therapy has the potential to transform the way mental health services are delivered by allowing people to check their symptoms, be triaged online and receive clinically-assisted therapy over the internet much more quickly and easily, assuming it is clinically appropriate. These treatments have been tested in other countries and they work. In the right cases, they can offer access to treatment far quicker than traditional services."
     
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  14. A.B.

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    Forget poverty, unemployment, having a poorly understood illness, pollution, income inequality: it's all a mental health issue. And it can be treated by sending the patient to a website to do some online CBT. If it doesn't work it's your own fault and you can't expect any more help. I predict that a new generation will grow up to hate psychiatry for bullying them with nonsense.
     
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    Dx Revision Watch Suzy Chapman, Dx Revision Watch

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    https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...rd-view-for-mental-health-government-response

    Policy paper

    Five Year Forward View for Mental Health: government response

    From: Department of Health, Public Health England and NHS England
    First published: 9 January 2017
    Part of: Mental health service reform

    PDF, 272KB, 29 pages

    The government’s response to the work of the Mental Health Taskforce and the Five Year Forward View for Mental Health report.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...0/FYFV_mental_health__government_response.pdf



    This report sets out the government’s response to the work of the Mental Health Taskforce. The taskforce report to NHS England, the Five Year Forward View for Mental Health, is an independent and far-reaching overview of what modern mental health services should be.

    The government will accept the taskforce report’s recommendations in full. This report provides full responses to each of the 58 recommendations made to government.

    All of the recommendations, whether for NHS England or for government, will be taken forward. NHS England’s response to their recommendations can be found in Implementing the Five Year Forward View for Mental Health.
     
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  16. A.B.

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    Thanks to the work of the citizen scientists in the CFS community, we know that the results claimed for CFS are false. I suspect they are also false for most of the other conditions because the people promoting these ideas very consistently come across as dishonest ideologues that won't let reality get in the way of a nice success story.

    So what they will actually achieve is mostly wasting money, discontent among patients, and possibly some harm. The psychologisation will probably also lead to worse health outcomes for certain conditions (there was a paper on rare disease which found that an initial psychological misdiagnosis delayed the correct diagnosis and effective treatment substantially)
     
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    Dx Revision Watch Suzy Chapman, Dx Revision Watch

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    http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/e...a-mays-pledge-to-overhaul-mental-health-care/

    January 9, 2017

    expert reaction to Theresa May’s pledge to overhaul mental health care


    Ms Cynthia Joyce, CEO of MQ, said:

    (...)

    Jon Spiers, CEO of Autistica, said:

    (...)

    Prof. Sir Simon Wessely, President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists and Professor of Psychological Medicine, King’s College London’s Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience, said:

    “She is right to focus on the importance of early years in shaping later mental health, and helping teachers to support troubled children must be the right thing.

    “Her commitment to proper trials to look at how to strengthen the links between schools and local NHS mental health staff confirms that she accepts the importance of proceeding on the basis of sound evidence.

    [Ed: Hah!]

    “But the biggest challenge she faces is ensuring the £1.4bn pledged to child and adolescent mental health services actually reaches the frontline – which has not happened yet.

    “We know that at least 350 more child and adolescent psychiatrists are needed just to deliver what the government has already promised for CAMHS and there is a long way to go before mental and physical health services are on an equal footing.”
     
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  18. Large Donner

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    I predict that their parents will lap it all up and their children are already lost to it. Most people are just sleepwalking.
     
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    Bread and circuses - it worked for the Romans!!! Ummm, until the Empire fell that is.
     
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    Then, maybe, we will see change. However this will only happen if they break free of their indoctrination.

    We need psychiatry, or something like it. We do not need this psychiatry, or anything like it.
     

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