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Wessely - Medical school “banter” denigrating GPs and psychiatrists must stop

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  1. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years Hoarder of biscuits

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    Medical school “banter” denigrating GPs and psychiatrists must stop, say college heads
    http://www.bmj.com/content/354/bmj.i5316

    Good news for psychiatry.

    ETA:
    Found the full length article here:
    Not such friendly banter? GPs and psychiatrists against the systematic denigration of their specialties
    http://bjgp.org/content/66/651/508
    British Journal of General Practice
    This is rich:
     
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  2. Valentijn

    Valentijn WE ARE KINA

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    I think Wessely has a bit of a victim complex. At least, when he's not getting enough attention :p
     
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  3. Skippa

    Skippa Anti-BS

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    Only patients are supposed to be denigrated!

    Stop this 360 degree feedback nonsense, we are above scrutiny! /says they
     
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    Skippa Anti-BS

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  5. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    The irony of Sir Simon getting on his high horse about denigrating banter.

    His denigrating banter has contributed to the perpetuation of suffering for millions.
     
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  6. Sean

    Sean Senior Member

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    It works like this, Prof, because clearly you ain't figured it out yet...

    If mental health experts and theories and policies want parity of esteem, and – let's be blunt – an equal slice of the power and money pie, you have to meet the same standards as for physical health experts and theories and policies, which are currently an order of magnitude or three higher than your profession's.

    Standards like proper blinding, homogeneous selection criteria when studying specific disorders, realistic thresholds and definitions of improvement and recovery, objective outcome measures (used, used properly, and given their fair epistemological weight), the most rigorous of harms reporting, fair and prompt reporting of outcomes, adequate data sharing,... Stop me if you have heard this story before.

    Besides, you personally don't seem to have suffered any impediment in your rise to great power and influence, nor to your wilfully inserting your pet psycho-drama morality-play fairytale into certain patient's lives. Or the whole of society. Your profession, at least in the UK, does not seem to lack political power over policy.

    How much power do you think you and your profession are entitled to, given the evidence base, or lack of it, upon which you base your claim?

    Here's the bottom line, Prof., that you guys are going to have to grapple with, whether you like it or not:

    Subjective outcome measures, either patient self-report or clinician assessed, are not enough, if they are not also properly blinded or supported by objective outcome measures, preferably both.

    None of which in any way downplays or disputes the importance of mental health. Just your profession's claim to understand it and how to improve it, and hence your 'right' to impose that inadequate understanding upon others, no matter how noble you may believe your intentions.

    You see the difference?

    Here endeth the lesson. :nerd:
     
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  7. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years Hoarder of biscuits

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    Also added this to my first post:

    Found the full length article here:
    Not such friendly banter? GPs and psychiatrists against the systematic denigration of their specialties
    http://bjgp.org/content/66/651/508

    British Journal of General Practice
    This is rich:
     
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  8. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards "Gibberish"

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    How Orwellian can you get?

    The only person I have come across besmirching patients was Peter White. He stood up in Bristol and said that the patients were thoroughly horrible.

    And it is only because of the PACE trial that I have come to realise that standards in psychiatric research are so much below that in medicine.

    There is something called leading by example. Some people don't seem to get it.
     
  9. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Oh great, hide behind your patients now and conflate criticism of yourself with stigmatisation of your patients. Pretend both those things are the same, then get on your high horse. Does this guy ever stop?
     
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  10. Chrisb

    Chrisb Senior Member

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    Does the band stop playing?
     
  11. Art Vandelay

    Art Vandelay Senior Member

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    I diagnose Pervasive False Victimhood Disorder (it will be in the next DSM, trust me). My recommendation is six months of CBT and standing on one leg in the bath whistling "Rule Britannia" three times a day after which all those false beliefs should disappear.
     
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  12. Glycon

    Glycon World's Most Dangerous Hand Puppet

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    CBT is quite an acronym, by the way ;) (warning: very much 18+):

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cbt
     
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  13. Sean

    Sean Senior Member

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    It does when the ship finally goes down.
     
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    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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    :whistle:
     
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  15. Kati

    Kati Patient in training

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    I thought Wessely was on holidays :meh:
     
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  16. Forbin

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    "That's the story of my life!
    NO RESPECT!
    I don't get no respect at all!"


    [​IMG]

    "My psychiatrist told me I was crazy.
    I said, 'I want a second opinion.'
    He said, 'All right. You're ugly, too!'"
    ~ Rodney Dangerfield​
     
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  17. A.B.

    A.B. Senior Member

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    Maybe demonstrate that your therapies are more than an elaborate placebo before complaining about being mocked (or of being the victim of unreasonable criticism).
     
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    Solstice Senior Member

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  19. Luther Blissett

    Luther Blissett

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    This rhetorical grouping of patients and psychiatrists together is obscene.

    The biggest group of people who stigmatize psychiatrists, are probably the patients who have undergone 'treatment' without consent.

    It would not be possible to forcibly 'treat' patients without stigmatizing them first, in order to remove basic civil rights protections from them.

    Who produces the 'evidence' that this group of people are uniquely different, uniquely dangerous?

    The following quotes from http://hubpages.com/health/Stigma-a...ychiatric-professionals-are-the-main-culprits

     
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  20. Glycon

    Glycon World's Most Dangerous Hand Puppet

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    Whatever GETs it up for you, man! ;)
     
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