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Wessely honoured with a knighthood for his work for GWS and ME

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Countrygirl, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. notinfinite

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    this is going to 'go' isn't it?

    I agree with the view Alex has concerning the current/past stance in the UK. Best not to look coz if you do, you can't "un-look".
     
  2. alex3619

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    Eugenics arose out of ideas of social darwinism. The ideas were valid scientific concerns in the day. The problems arose when they were taken as justification for public policy and agendas. Governments passed laws using these ideas. As I currently see it, it was a way to rubber stamp ideological policy. I see the same may, and I mean "may" not "is", may be happening with respect to social change agendas in the UK.

    When half formed science, especially if controversial, is taken as justification for sweeping social change that may harm the public, questions need to be asked. When it continues in defiance of the evidence it is not working, and reasonable analysis it cannot work to fulfil its stated objectives, then there is even more reason to ask hard questions.

    Should the policies with respect to DWP and ATOS be justified, then let them be seen to be justified, let the questions be answered. It is however more likely, in my current view, that the justifications used are far short of adequate. This appears to be social harm, leading to increased societal costs, to fulfil an ideological agenda. It will probably not save the UK money, or the economy, or improve democracy, it will probably harm these things, and at the expense of those least able to cope with that harm.

    When government and associated institutions support research that justifies their agendas, and the potential funding bias arising from political favour might distort the research, we have Zombie Science. The world has faced Zombie Science before: eugenics and social darwinism. We woke up then, will we wake up this time?
     
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  3. barbc56

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    LOL, You aren't the first to get distracted. It comes with this illness,eh? Like you said a very interesting subject but I want to know more about Sir whatshisname, too. I like that name.
    Take care.
    Barb
     
  4. alex3619

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    The reason I raised the issue of science turned social movement is that BPS is becoming politicized, and therefore this may influence government and media spin and government policy, including awards given to Whatshisname or anyone else. ("Whatshisname" is a good name, I like it too.)
     
  5. notinfinite

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    I very much doubt we will wake up in enough numbers to make a difference, our democracy supplies tyranny after tyranny using zombie science par excellence and we have not yet stopped them.
     
  6. Bob

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    "Sir whatshisname". I like it. It could catch on!
     
  7. In Vitro Infidelium

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    I would apologise but as a member of the lower orders I’ve been bred for insensitivity. :p

    IVI
     
  8. In Vitro Infidelium

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    I meant Post Modernism as the descriptor of the politics of ‘now’, with its capacity to accommodate anything that the (cough) ‘zeitgeist’ demands. Eugenics was( relative to Post Modernism) a philosophy of Modernism, although its popularity was undoubtedly rooted in pre modern prejudices – race, gender, religion etc. I’m not aware that Eugenics with a capital E has in any sense survived the profound loss of legitimacy wrought upon it by the revelations of the Nazi extermination policies.

    Do ancient prejudices survive – of course, but it is one thing for a society to have a general dislike of those it sees as collectively forming an unnecessary burden, and a philosophy based on claimed science. In fact the more basic ideas of eugenics (although no one will use that name) have become an accepted part of modern societies, there are many people who are carriers of genes for heritable diseases who are choosing not to have children and of course medical abortion is practiced widely. Eugenics as a philosophy wasn’t just socially and morally flawed, it was scientifically flawed which is why it has no widespread currency long past the shock of what it produced in Germany.

    I’ve no idea what you mean by Eugenics has not gone anywhere; nor its connection to Psychiatry, other than that perhaps the social environment of the 19thC which saw containment of the mad , the ‘halt’ and the ‘feckless’ as being appropriate, was contemporary with both the development of both Eugenics and Psychiatry. Psychiatrists eventually led the way in questioning the value of large scale permanent containment of people with mental illness – equating Psychiatry with Eugenics appears historically just plain wrong.

    IVI
     
  9. Enid

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    The Eugenic Legacy in Psychology and Psychiatry....(full article behind a pay wall) but the conclusion that eugenics remains an important area of enquiry in their fields seems very much alive and well.

    Here
    And definition here
     
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  10. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    Poor Simon Wessely, atleast his mother loves him, but we just dont have any proof of that:thumbdown:
     
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    The original petition itself has been taken down owing to (and heard only 3rd hand) complaint. Thought we had free speech here ...........the mind (yes I do have one, not imagining as once told) boggles at the implication.........legals, friends in high places, too much disturbing history in ME and psychiatry to be revealed perhaps..........etc.
     
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  13. notinfinite

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    Thanks for your thoughts. Did you enjoy your breakfast?
     
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    UK establishment is corrupt *shocker*
     
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    :lol:
     
  17. Yogi

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    I forgot to write this a few years ago and been reminded by egregious award.

    A knighthood is no longer seen as reputable as it once was.

    Smart people know that it is an award for corruption and cronyism.

    In fact Knighthoods have been bestowed and forfeited recently on:

    Sir Jimmy Saville in 1972 as Order of British Empire (OBE) and in 1990 for "charitable services" (and for services to children's entertainment) and was after his death confirmed to be a serial predatory paedophile and Britain's most prolific.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile


    Sir Fred Goodwin
    for "Services to Banking" in 2004 :rofl::rofl::rofl: (CEO of Royal Bank of Scotland) responsible for the largest loss for a PLC in British history and a taxpayer bailout of RBS (or it would have resulted in bankruptcy) of approx $72,000,000,000 and had his Knighthood revoked in 2012.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Goodwin

    Other awards received by Goodwin include:
    • December 2002 – Forbes (global edition) "Businessman of the Year", which described him as an original thinker with a fast-forward frame of mind who had transformed RBS from a nonentity into a global name
    • 2003 – 2006 – No.1 in Scotland on Sunday's Power 100[29][84][85]
    • December 2003 – "European Banker of the Year" in 2003
    • June 2004 – awarded an honorary doctor of Laws by the University of St Andrews[86]
    • July 2008 – awarded an honorary fellowship by the London Business School[87]

    Sir James Crosby for "Services to the Financial Industry" in 2006 :rofl::rofl::rofl: (CEO of Halifax Bank of Scotland) responsible for bankruptcy of HBOS and a taxpayer bailout of approx $32,000,000,000 and annulled in 2013.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Crosby_(banker)#HBoS


    Honours can be forfeited and the full list is here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_..._decorations_and_medals_of_the_United_Kingdom



    Knighthoods and the Honours system are becoming a marker of really bad judgement by the government and the queen as soon after they are bestowed the truth comes out about the relevant scandal.

    More recently Sir Bradley Wiggins was knighted in 2013 and the media have now reported that he was using drugs in his cycling.


    P.S.

    I don't know if anyone knows this but Simon Wessely is now on the Honours Committee for Health and decides on who else to hand the honours to. This is particularly egregious!
     
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  18. SilverbladeTE

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    Modern day Trofim Lysenko
    anyone who doesn't support the agenda those in power want, is destroyed, their funding undercut, blackmailed or whatever

    as I keep pointing out, there is little real difference in the evils the West and Soviet Union (after Stalin) got up to in the end, because anything taken to extremes is heinous :(

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko
    http://www.encyclopedia.com/people/...culture-biographies/trofim-denisovich-Lysenko

    the NeoLiberal's supporting modern day Eugenics via "the "Biosocial" ideology bullsh*t, HAVE to keep supporting Wessely etc, just as the idiots in the Soviet Union had to support Lysenko, because their entire house of cards, "game of Thrones without the babes, butts or characters with a spine", has wrapped them up in a precarious spiral

    it is standard Human behaviour, alas, plenty of examples of such behaviour, "Science" is *not* immune ot such as osme folks wish/believe it should be
     
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  19. Yogi

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    Another one about to bite the dust!

    Sir Philip Green was awarded a Knighthood for "services for the retail industry" in 2006. He paid his wife a dividend for £800m in which she paid zero tax by moving to Monaco. He left pensioners with a £571 million deficit after selling his BHS shops to a bankrupt for £1.

    MP's have voted unanimously this afternoon to strip him of his Knighthood. The forfeiture committee will make the final decision.



    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...n-to-strip-sir-philip-green-of-knighthood-ov/

    "Ian Wright, the chair of the business committee said Sir Philip "took the rings from BHS’s fingers. He beat it black and blue. He starved it of food and water and put it on life support. “And then he wanted credit for keeping it alive.”

    Sound familiar? In our case it is not just metaphorical.

    Quotes from MP's:
    "Sir Philip Green ran BHS as a “personal fiefdom or a massive piggybank.” - Iain Wright MP

    "Sir Philip was, and is, a traditional asset-stripper."- Frank Field MP

    "What goes through the mind of a knight of the realm to say those livelihoods and futures [of BHS workers] should be consigned to the control of a three time bankrupt?"- Richard Fuller MP

    Sir Philip "took the rings from BHS’s fingers. He beat it black and blue. He starved it of food and water and put it on life support. “And then he wanted credit for keeping it alive.”- Iain Wright MP

    Sir Philip is a "billionaire spiv who should never have received a knighthood, a billionaire spiv who has shamed British capitalism." - David Winnick MP"

    Labour MP Karen Buck there is the “sense that the game is rigged” in favour of the most powerful people in this country.
    She says: “There have to be consequences because otherwise the government can’t look itself in the face”.


    http://news.sky.com/story/billionaire-spiv-sir-philip-green-beat-bhs-black-and-blue-say-mps-10624615

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Green

    Sir Philip Green should never have been knighted and it just shows once again how corrupt this system but also shows that change can come once these issues are exposed and we all stand together and challenge them.

    What Sir Philip Green did was financial by leaving a large pension deficit but our Knight of the Realm has done much worse as the harms have been financial and human suffering and deaths.

    Millions have been left without medical treatment, have suffered in pain without any help, hundreds if not thousands have died and many have been refused social security benefits and given harmful treatment of GET because of his actions as well as blocking biomedical research for 30 years.
     
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