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Wessely honoured with a knighthood for his work for GWS and ME

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Countrygirl, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. orion

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    Valentijn, Thanks for posting this information. It's certainly given me a lot to think about. I'll give a full reply when I've had a chance to do some background reading.
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    Petition here to strip (for those of us in the UK bored to death with psyche mumbo jumbo very serious psychiatric attempts to control the world of real science here) must watch out next time I make a cup of tea and try to bear with them as they so conveniently shift their postions and learning.http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/strip-prof-simon-wessely-of-knighthood.html

    See The Rise and Fall of Medicine - Dr James Le Fanu as if we did not know.
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  3. Wildcat

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    Firestormm wrote: "Wildcat. I won't then commiserate with you. I have provided advice. Plenty of advice over plenty of years. I have recently 'won' an appeal for ESA and one for DLA - so maybe just maybe I do know from where you are coming (in this respect at least)."


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    Well, Firestormm,
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    If you won your DLA case, then I do hope that it was in part due to the Social Security Commissioner's Decision on MY DLA Case Hearing of 2001 (from a DLA Case that ran from 1997-2001, with 2 Tribunal Appeals and 1 SS Commissioners Appeal.)

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    Social Security Comissioner's Decisions went into SS Law - My SS Commissioners Case Decision stated that
    'The phrase "CFS/ME is a fluctuating condition" is a meaningless statement and must not be used to deny DLA (at any rate) to people with ME/CFS.'
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    My original DLA Application was dismissed by the Citizens Advice on the grounds that "If it was any other illness that was making you so ill you would get DLA. But as its ME, we don't think you will win so there's no point trying" !!! !!!! !!!!!!! ..........
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    I won the DLA case, after nearly 5 years, in which all but one of the so called 'representatives' acted atrociously and unprofessionally and unlawfully - the unlawful behaviour including that of a Disability Law Solicitor that the ME Association recommended, to represent my DLA Case l!!
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    On one occasion I phoned the ME Association with an urgent Medical-Legal issue that required serious legal representaion - but the ME Association gave me the phone number of a Counsellor instead !!! !!! !!!!!! ??????.

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    .... 'Person Centred Counselling' ??? 'Psychodynamic' ????
    Jungian... Freudian .... 'Solution Focussed Counselling' ...... ... CBT ?????

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    Well, in fact it was Frankie Campling (a counsellor) that the MEA gave the phone number of (not a legal advisor at all!!) ... that Counsellor had collaborated with Prof Michael Sharp (PACE Trial Researcher) on a pseudo ME advice book. ... ..
    but Frankie Campling (the counsellor) was of course CLUELESS about the Medical Legal Advice that I had approached the ME Association for help with !!!!! !!!!!



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    For how many years have you been 'providing advice' Firestormm ??? . Three years ???
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  4. Wildcat

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    Firestormm wrote (about DLA and ESA) : "I will conclude with saying that in my experience, a tribunal is a better place to get ones case and situation across than by simply completing forms and trying to get suitable and accurate medical evidence. I found it more preferable as the court could see how much this was affecting me."

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    So you don't think that ESA and DLA adjudicators and assessors should get it right at the first assessment , Firestormm???


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    So you think that severely sick people should have to go through months or years of the extended hell of a Disability Benefits Appeal Tribunal, and even a Higher level Appeal, to force the 'powers that be' to take their level of sickness and medical evidence seriously ..... and to properly and lawfully assess the sick/disabled person's right to legitimate sickness/diisability benefits??? ???

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    What if the person is too sick to do all the extra work necessary to get an ESA and/or DLA case to an Appeal??? ??

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    At my first DLA Tribunal Appeal I was too sick to sit upright or even speak - they had to take me out of the room so I could lie down. Afterwards the Appeal representative said that she thought the Tribunal panel were "very harsh" when assessing my case.


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  5. barbc56

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    In the states it takes on average 3-5 years to get disability and then the amount you get is repulsively low. Ninety percent of people applying for disability are turned down the first time.

    Barb C.:>)
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    Interesting that the ME charities and parliamentarians have had to raise the issue of the excessive unfairness and denial of legitimate sickness/disability benefits to ME sufferers in the UK.

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    But no doubt the denialists on this forum will deny that too.

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  7. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    The petition has been disabled by the site following a complaint by Wessely, according to the petition author.

    A useful page has been created listing the comments in the petition from people who gave their surnames:

    http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/Comments-on-Wessely-petition.htm

    The petition author is looking for another site to host the petition.
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  8. pollycbr125

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    So instead of taking it on the chin like anyone else would have he pulls the plug . He knew the odds of any affect on his knighthood were basically null and void anyway . What a joke so anyone who has been affected directly or indirectly by Wessely and his so called work cannot even have a voice , even signing a petition that would have made no difference to recent events is denied . So much for freedom of speech and there I was thinking I was living in a democracy .I could comment further but I would probably be banned from the forum for life if I put what I really wanted to write . All I will say is what goes around comes around ill let Karma take its course .
  9. biophile

    biophile Places I'd rather be.

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  10. alex3619

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    Questions: Is the biopsychosocial movement becoming the new Eugenics movement or perhaps Social Darwinism ? Is the perspective of BPS different, but the driving force in society similar?
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  11. Shell

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    Answer: yes.

    It's becoming more obvious in the UK every day. The Eugenics movement started here really even though some American Eugenisits were perhaps more openly vicious. But I think the apathy that sits like a London Smog on our entire country means that killing us off will simply happen.

    Wessley's knighthood is a quiet message that people who undermine the hope of tests and treatment, let alone a cure, for unfashionable illnesses will be rewarded.

    Poor ol' "Sir" Wessley is so childish! Fancy getting the petition shut down. What is he so afraid of?
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  12. In Vitro Infidelium

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    Eugenics was a popular idea, one that was readily graspable because it was, at its simplest just the selective breeding of livestock that most people were familiar with, applied to humans. In addition to being simple it was broadcast widely by popular voices from all political complexions. How does any of that apply to an obscure psychiatric doctrine that doesn't even have universal support within its sponsoring profession ? Where are the Winston Churchills, G.B Shaws, H.G.Wells' and Linus Paulings of today publicly associating themselves with the BPS doctrine ? And what in the BPS is it , that the 'woman/man in the street' is equating to awell known 'truism in nature' ? I don't doubt the BPS could be hammered to fit into numerous contemporary political and social attitudes, but so can anything else - post modernism works like that.

    IVI
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  13. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    The comments page has been taken down for now as some of the comments are aggressive, threatening and potentially defamatory (although i think most of them are in fact true). I'm hoping that an abridged list of comments will be published on the same site and will let you folks know when I hear that it has been. The person who uploaded the page didn't want to risk the whole site being closed down.

    I don't blame some of the 'offenders' for their comments. After all, many have had their lives ruined, having had to give up promising, lucrative careers, having relationships break down, and seen people die tragic early deaths although fighting right to the end.

    But we are such helpless, neurotic, deluded people with no motivation...
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    barbc56 Senior Member

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    IVI, you have hurt my feelings as you just compared me with livestock. Please apologize as soon as I stop laughing.;)

    Barb C.
  15. Marco

    Marco Old blackguard

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    You forgot Beveridge



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Beveridge#Eugenics
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    Are you saying that eugenics is a thing of the past and its not something that we should bother about. Is this a "nothing to see here" moment? So relieved you have let me know that Eugenics WAS a popular idea, and that it can put down to post modernism, is that because there are no in-your-face pamphlets or wall posters indoctrinating us.

    Psychiatry and eugenics are pretty much intertwined from the beginning to the present. Eugenics has not gone anywhere.
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  17. notinfinite

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    Sometimes I feel like livestock - I need special documents to leave my country of residency (if I could get through my front door), my title is registered, I need ID for anything, I am subjected to cruel treatment, and IVI eats me for breakfast when I post.

    Granted, I am "free range" in that I am free to roam, but I am very restricted unless I comply with man made laws. The bars/fence are definitely there.
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    Can someone explain how the two are related? I guess psychiatry might have the potential to justify eugenics but it also has the potential for the opposite point of view.

    I just don't see it.

    Barb C.
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    Sorry Barbc56, I took the bait and got distracted by the 'eugenics' word. Yes psychiatry may have the opposite point of view, even if it is/was a silent or silenced point of view. Its a huge subject that cannot take place on this thread. I want to know more about Sir whatshisname so I'm stopping with ref to eugenics.
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  20. alex3619

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    I am asking the questions, not imposing final answers. There is a big reason why I am concerned. The current UK government agenda seems with respect to DWP and ATOS seems to be ideologically driven. As for famous people, try
    Sir Mansel Aylward, or even David Cameron. It is very difficult to see all the issues involved around this, and very hard to draw definitive conclusions. I suspect that will only be done from the perspective of hindsight - and possibly even mostly by historians. However we can't come to grips with it if we are not even asking the hard questions.

    This ideology though is not in isolation. Those in the ME and CFS communities have seen BPS in action and where it leads in their personal lives. So we have additional reasons to be concerned. I think its premature to draw anything like definitive conclusions, but its never premature to be asking questions and wanting answers.
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